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@realcaseyrollins As long as you are equally accepting of the pride of non-straights then I'd have no issue with a shirt like this.
My problem is for many, and perhaps this includes you, it would be done to mock gay pride or to be antagonistic towards it. If that is the intent thent here is an issue.
@freemo the point is to merely celebrate my sexuality in the same way non-cis people do.
@realcaseyrollins Certainly nothing wrong with that. But would you be celebrating it if the LGBT community werent celebrating theirs. Is it reactive (not that its a bad thing if it is, but if so one needs to ask why it prompted a reaction at all)
@freemo It's certainly reactive. One goal of it is to provoke thought, and make people think.
Are cis people allowed to celebrate their sexuality? Is their pride treated any differently than the pride of non-cis people? Is being straight more, less, or as worthy of being proud of as being non-cisgender?
I suppose this thread is already answering some of these questions.
@realcaseyrollins Well thats just it, simply being proud of ones sexuality as a straight person is perfectly fine. But LGBT pride is not a reaction to straight pride (which was not really a thing). It was largely a reaction to LGBT hate historically.
The reason they are treated different isnt due to the pride itself but the motivation behind expressing the pride. An LGBT person has pride because of their fight against oppression. A straight person has pride (usually, and in this case) merely as a reaction to LGBT pride.
So obviously the straight pride will be met with far more judgement due to the nature and origin of the pride.
@freemo I feel that your statements deserve far more nuanced answers than I am providing, and for that I apologize. The brevity is in part due to the fact that when I began responding I had just woken up and was quite groggy.
I have some thoughts ready but have to take care of some things before I come back and respond.
@realcaseyrollins No rush, take your time
@freemo First off, I am not quite sure what you meant by "accepting of the pride of non-straights". If by this you mean do I approve of them being prideful of being non-straight, I would have to say no. The Bible clearly describes homosexual acts as "shameful."
Now, if by this you mean do I acknowledge their sexuality as legitimate, I would have to say yes.
The goal isn't necessarily to mock gay pride, but more to mock people who are suspicious of straight pride, or who hate straight people/think they are inferior. This is in part to combat the messaging in the culture, that it is better, and in fact more virtuous to be non-straight than it is to be straight. I had mentioned this messaging before in #911onFOX, where someone asks a character who is * very * lesbian about her husband when he noticed her wedding ring, and she corrects him by saying she actually has a wife, while another character who is * very * heterosexual (the one who described himself as a sex addict) is hanging out with his friend and his son, and a woman mistakes them for being a couple, and he goes with it. This insinuates that being non-straight is something to be proud of but being straight is not.
That said, I think it's terrible that non-straight people have to hide their sexuality. Part of this has been social stigma (which is understandable but doesn't excuse hate and ostracization), and of course oppression in places where non-straight people's safety is legitimately in danger.
While being non-straight is nothing to be proud of necessarily, it isn't something to hide either. Part of being authentic and real is being truthful about who you are, and we should give people space to do that, so long as they aren't harassing or physically hurting anybody, which most LGBT people don't appear to do.
This, of course, leads right into my next point; I do not tell people to live in a Christlike way for godly reasons if they are not saved. I'm not running around here telling people not to be gay, that's stupid, and furthermore, even according to the Bible, I have to right to demand that non-believers behave in a godly way.
This also goes to me supporting "Conservative, Inc." and TPUSA amidst much of the hate they've been getting from farther right sectors of the political spectrum. They argue "how does gay sex help us win the culture war?" These people forget that, first of all, conservatism has never been about legislating morality. That's a big-government view that is in no way conservative. Secondly, they forget that the culture wars are not a political fight, but a moral one. While morals play a significant role in politics, policy should be dictated by justice. After all, in my view, that's government's job, to instill justice throughout the land. that means allowing people to express their sexuality. The culture war is something that should be fought within personal and religious identities, not a political affiliation, if it is something to be fought at all.
"A straight person has pride (usually, and in this case) merely as a reaction to LGBT pride."
It cannot be denied that me announcing I have pride is in part a reaction to LGBT pride, but I have always had pride in my sexuality. This is in part why I make it publicly known that I am straight; in a day and age where you cannot assume someone's gender identity, I feel it is best to make that aspect of myself clear. In the same way a non-straight person being public about their sexuality is them being authentic about who they are, me being public about my cisgender identity is me being authentic and real about who I am.
@realcaseyrollins No I do not mean do you accept it as legitimate.
So to understand, regardless of your excuse, you think it is morally wrong to be prideful of being LGBT but think its perfectly ok for you to be prideful of being straight.
If that is the case you are 100% morally defunct.
Who is trying to say its more virtuous to be non-straight. I dont think ive ever seen that as a public message from anyone other than a rare few extremist nut cases who were the exception, not the rule.
What a lot of people ARE saying is it is wrong to be exclusionary of LGBT (such as seeing it as sinful or create a community which does not include LGBT welfare along side that of straights). No one is attacking conservatives for being straight lets be absolutely clear about that.
@freemo Let me rephrase my statement on pride; pride is actually a sin. What meant by being proud of being straight or non-straight is being unashamed of it.
While you're right, that it's extremists that say that being non-straight it better than being straight, like I said this is a message that is in #911onFOX, a mainstream show on a mainstream channel. 💁🏾♂️
To be fair, no one that I can recall has attacked anyone, conservative or not, for being straight, especially not in the way the religious extremists do.