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@freemo It's fun and easy to take words that everyone uses, give them a special meaning, and then chide those who don't know your meaning for their ignorance.
I understand the frustration of witnessing apparently uncritical examination of truly difficult subjects paired with absolute confidence in the conclusions drawn. The question I have is, what's the most useful response?
@2ck that would largely depend n the person.
@freemo fair enough. what's the meta-response then? what set of responses for most people you deal with would be useful in, say, making people (at least the ones you are contact with) more scientifically literate over observable time scales? :P
@2ck generally there isnt one. Most of these people are going to believe what they believe
Socratic questioning to lead them to a parodox sometimes works if they have some sense of logic, most do not.
Shame can sometimes work to shut them up at least and that means they dont spread their ideas as readily. But that doesnt always work either.
For most you just wont get through.
Agreed. But I think the point of the meme is not that one should provide that level of evidence to convince others, but rather that you should provide that level of evidence for yourself, when determining your convictions.
I think when your mindset is to disprove your own assumptions then it is an easier barrier to break than when someone else from the outside is trying to do it.
@admin I'm not sure I agree. Most people are plenty capable and could have the attention span to critically review their sources. Most just dont because there isnt much societal pressure to do so.
Those who are well researched dont generally get much more respect, in fact often the opposite.
It is a societal issue rather than capability itself.
@admin I agree few people would, thats the point, they should, they could, they wont.
I do agree that most people would dismiss it out of hand but that again goes back to what I said before. If your whole mentality in doing that research is so you can prove others wrong and yourself correct, then you've already done it wrong.
People should be willing and eager to do that level of research regardless of if they intend to share ti with even a single person. They should be doing it for themselves simply as part of their process for forming an opinion, even when that opinion wont be shared.
@admin well that's fair :)
@freemo @admin you're sounding like Bacon's (translated) novum organum (https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/te8gXf9fXb7JWbJ9b/novum-organum-introduction). I think I found it in a toot somewhere around here
