@benk yes first there was a market, a market that wasn't free, then there were companies born from that market that leveraged the lack of freedom int he market to gain power, then those companies used that power to secure their place and monopolies in the market and ensure they couldn't loose it, making the market less free over time.

@benk Nope not saying that at all, please dont mince my words.

I am saying a free market has not existed, not that it can not exist.

@benk The fact that corperations have corrupted the free market to make it less free in no way implies it cant. It just means the government needs to be of such a nature (either by design or through the choice of the people in who they elect) whereby it does not make laws that prevent a free market and do not cave to monopolies.

Simply voting for good people would in and of itself fix the problem, but people dont tend to do that.

@benk well yes, easier said than done for sure. I dont actually expect a free market anytime soon given the mentalities and voting habits of the general public.