What is it with conservatives and this "there are only two sexes" nonsense... Are they trying to convince us they arent any smarter than a grade schooler or something. Anyone who has had more than an elementary school education knows full well its not that simple...

@freemo it is that simple unless you list deformities and birth defects. I was ok with separating gender and sex but now this shit is getting ridiculous.

@a7 @freemo i mean i liked where they were going with this but then they all fucked it up and started demanding random pronouns and validation from normal people. i still don't necessarily hate gender-retarded people, i certainly hate the ones on the internet.

@yarra

Pronouns are about gender, not sex, not even related to what is being discussed. I do agree the pronoun stuff is obnoxious and can mostly be ignored. But a few people acting rediculous really doesnt change the established science behind the spectrum of sexes that exist naturally.

@a7

@freemo @a7 i don't know the established science behind it. i would love to read about it tho. you can link me some books if you want. also i prefer books that aren't written by pedophiles. Pat Califia disgusts me.

@yarra

Its an entire medical disciplin but sure, there are tons of books, after i eat my lunch ill link you a whole host of papers ont he various variations.

@a7

@freemo @yarra show me asexual reproduction of humans. Show me a self impregnating hermaphrodite.

@a7

What are you on about? There are a handful of cases but not sure what point your getting at.. You trying to argue if someone is infertile or if their chromosomes dont line up with their genitals then they dont have a sex or some nonsense? Your making no sense.

@yarra

@freemo @yarra sending out the virtue signal commissioner Gordon we need the xxyxyyman-er human !

@a7 @freemo @yarra
I don't know if anyone needs to hear this but klinfelter syndrome isn't its own sex, it's a set of symptoms occurring in males. XYY syndrome is likewise a genetic condition occurring in males. XY gonadal dysgenesis on the other hand is a genetic condition that occurs in females. There is no third sex and freemo is a fucking retard.

@yarra

So much for your lead in with "yea I'd read the literature"... I was in the process of compiling the medical studies for you but I see now that would be a waste of my time to carry through on I guess.

@Agni @a7

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@yarra

Alright let me finish that for you then. You ok with peer reviewed literature (tends to be highly technical) or would you rather me find you less academic work that is geared more towards the lay person?

@Agni @a7

@freemo @Agni @a7 doesn't matter. if you read them you can rank them or something if you want.

@yarra

So the first thing to understand is that the intersex spectrum falls on a pretty wide set of variations and can manifest in different ways.

One simple manifestation is that a person can appear male or female yet internally have the other sex's physical components. For example a man can have ovarian tissue where his testicles would be (and they would feel and look like testicles) and a woman can have testicales where her ovaries should be. In fact its even more complex than that, a person can have what medical profesionalls call "ovotesties" which is tissue that is somewhere between the two and serves the function of each.

Here is a paper that talks about how specific hormones determine the development of the gonad tissue ont hat spectrum and how it can be measured as a non-invasive way to help measure ones natural place on the spectrum.

sciencedirect.com/science/arti

@Agni @a7

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