@a7 @freemo it's a fetish dude. obviously these people don't care about whether their genes live on or not. family does not matter. nature is irrelevant to them. it's meaningless to talk about reproductivity.

@yarra @freemo if some one wants to wear a dress or live with their genital deformities or odd chromosome combinations I dont give a shit but sex, sexual reproduction, functional sexs as in reproducing male and female. Like it doesn’t even have to do with their personal lives as outliers ita just fucking weird like why deny that one person has a peepee and one person has a vagene and one cooms in the other to make baby. Why is this a war crime to these people?

@a7

What are you on about? There are a handful of cases but not sure what point your getting at.. You trying to argue if someone is infertile or if their chromosomes dont line up with their genitals then they dont have a sex or some nonsense? Your making no sense.

@yarra

@freemo @yarra sending out the virtue signal commissioner Gordon we need the xxyxyyman-er human !

@a7 @freemo @yarra
I don't know if anyone needs to hear this but klinfelter syndrome isn't its own sex, it's a set of symptoms occurring in males. XYY syndrome is likewise a genetic condition occurring in males. XY gonadal dysgenesis on the other hand is a genetic condition that occurs in females. There is no third sex and freemo is a fucking retard.

@Agni @freemo @yarra I think its rather obvious he is just attempting to feel superior to people at this point rather than provide any real point

@a7 @freemo @yarra
wHaT R u iN 3rd gRadE

@a7

Well considering your earlier comments feeling superior is definately one of the things going down here. Little doubt in my mind most people are superior to you and a few others in this chat.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra Such an understanding and virtuous man

@Agni @a7 @freemo based and only2sexes-pilled

@yarra

So much for your lead in with "yea I'd read the literature"... I was in the process of compiling the medical studies for you but I see now that would be a waste of my time to carry through on I guess.

@Agni @a7

@freemo @Agni @a7 dude i'm memeing, i actually want to read more about this stuff

@yarra

Alright let me finish that for you then. You ok with peer reviewed literature (tends to be highly technical) or would you rather me find you less academic work that is geared more towards the lay person?

@Agni @a7

@freemo @Agni @a7 doesn't matter. if you read them you can rank them or something if you want.

@yarra

So the first thing to understand is that the intersex spectrum falls on a pretty wide set of variations and can manifest in different ways.

One simple manifestation is that a person can appear male or female yet internally have the other sex's physical components. For example a man can have ovarian tissue where his testicles would be (and they would feel and look like testicles) and a woman can have testicales where her ovaries should be. In fact its even more complex than that, a person can have what medical profesionalls call "ovotesties" which is tissue that is somewhere between the two and serves the function of each.

Here is a paper that talks about how specific hormones determine the development of the gonad tissue ont hat spectrum and how it can be measured as a non-invasive way to help measure ones natural place on the spectrum.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0303720703003277

@Agni @a7

@Agni

kleinfelter syndrom is considered to be part of the intersex spectrum. In other words, they have some qualities of males, others of females.

I never claimed there was a third sex either, so clearly your reading skills are as excellent as your biology skills. Intersex does not imply that there are more than 2 sexes, it implies that sex is a spectrum and they can and do fall anywhere on that spectrum from female, to ambiguous/both, to male.

@yarra @a7

@freemo @Agni @yarra what is the others outside male, female and intersex(intersex BTW is referencing male and female)

@a7

Huh, what do you mean others.. thats like saying "warm doesnt exist because there is only cold and hot".. there arent others, it is a spectrum, there are people who are not clearly one or the other, there are people with both, there are people who are strongly female or strongly male.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra I’m asking what they are not making a statement on their existence what other sex are there other than intersex(which is referencing male and female so kinda bigotted!!!!), male and female. Name the other.

@a7

you seem to be really struggling what I said or following the conversation.. who said there was a third sex? No one is claiming that.

@Agni @yarra

@a7

As I said earlier, the issue is that people think people are "one sex or the other" .. which isnt how it works.. people have qualities of each sex in varying perportions. sex is a spectrum not a dichotomy.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra ok so this is just straight retarded intellectual posturing ffs you a pathetic human

@a7

I know its hard for you to understand topics that have any degree of complexity.. so I can see why you might think that, but no. The point is and always has been that sex is a spectrum, not a discrete dichotomy.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra fart sniffing post nice buddy 👌

@freemo @Agni @yarra this is like that kid that goes “you know a tomato is a fruit” this is what you’ve done. You are scum of the earth. The flat eart BTW earth is flat.

@a7

Except for the fact that that tomato happens to be hundreds of thousands of human beings who are constantly told their scientifically confirmed sexual state is nonsense.. so yea, not exactly the same.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra na you took trans peoples actual issues, disregarded them and then did self serving mental masturbation.

@a7

Whatever delusion you want to tell yourself buddy.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra like *takes bong rip” color wheels mannnnn

@a7 @freemo @yarra
Lol the retard defederated from me.

@freemo @Agni @yarra

@a7

Right, as I said, sex is a spectrum, and there arent only two sexes, spectrums are continuous not discrete. Discrete things are countable, continuous things are not.

@Agni @yarra

@freemo @Agni @yarra straight retarded dude, like legitimately a pathetic sample of a human. I now understand why p hates you so much.

@a7 @freemo @Agni @yarra

@georgia @a7 @Agni @freemo egg looks boring. i don't like stationary things. let's get rid of all eggs.

@yarra @Agni @a7 @freemo good luck achieving oogamous reproduction without an oocyte
sessile is bestsile

@georgia @a7 @Agni @freemo @yarra sperg lel

@lain @Agni @a7 @freemo @yarra THAT'S MY FAVORITE PART

@georgia

Thats actually not that far off from the science... though usually more like testical, ovotestis, ovaries. It is the gonads that exist on a spectrum more so than the gametes, though there are also abnormalities in gametes.

@Agni @yarra @a7

@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 ovotestis aren't a spectrum. they're a combination of ovarian and testicular tissue. and gametic anomalies does not a third sex make.

@georgia

Who said anything about a third sex? I have pointed out several times its not about there being a third sex, its about there not being 2 discrete sexes but rather a continuous spectrum of sexes between 2 extremes.

Likewise the existance of ovotestis **is** a spectrum, and I linked a scientific paper that even goes into the expectrum of the ovotestis and one way on measure wear on the spectrum a particular person's ovotestis happen to be.

This should be obvious as it has tissue with properties of each end of the spectrum and can develop closer to one end or the other to any degree at all on that spectrum.

@Agni @yarra @a7

@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7 sex is a binary. the difference between asexual and sexual reproduction is reproduction by two unalike organisms--anisogamy. male and female. i think what you're saying is human dimorphic sex features, and in the case of ovotestis human gonads, very occasionally exhibit features of both dyadic sexes, but such edge cases usually end up being infertile. if what you're saying is "disorders of sex development exist, pheno and genotypic anomalies exist" then no one disagrees. it ultimately boils down to a semantic argument of what "sex" and "spectrum" mean. which is no fun.

@georgia

No your confusing the act of sex, with the sex of the organism engaging in it.. The act of sex does not define the sex of the organism engaged in it.. your trying to warp the actual science behind how animals are sexed with your own biases, and it doesnt match the reality.

Infertile women, for example are still women, they can not produce children, have no gametes to speak of, but are women because, quite simply, sex is not determines strictly by your gametes but by a whole list of features. Those features are not an "all or nothing" deal and thus sex, while generally favoring one end of the spectrum or the other, is still quite clearly on a spectrum.

@Agni @yarra @a7

@freemo @georgia @Agni @yarra freemo right now

@freemo @Agni @yarra @a7
dude sex literally refers to gametes. that's why female is defined as "of or related to the sex that produces eggs" and likewise male with sperm.

also "infertile women have no gametes to speak of" bro are you for real

"infertile people exist" is a babby-tier gotcha

@georgia @freemo @a7 @yarra
Untag please, freemo defederated from me to own the fash.

@Agni @a7 @freemo @yarra sure bb

@georgia

looks like someone needs to open up a medical dictionary. They are defined by their reproductive organs and the function (expression) of their genetics, which entails a rather long complicated list of what constitutes function in any one species.

You will never find any medical dictionary defining sex **solely** on the basis of gametes, in fact you likely wont even find the word games in the definition in most medical dictionaries.

One sec let me get mind and find their exact wording.

@Agni @yarra @a7

@georgia

Yup as expected the medical dictionary says pretty much exactly what I just said, that sex is defined by ones reproductive organs (not the gametes) and ones function. The exact wording is as follows:

" Either of the two divisions, designated female and male, by which most organisms are classified on the basis of their reproductive organs and functions"

-- The American Heritage Medical Dictionary

@Agni @yarra @a7

@freemo @yarra @a7 you're talking about sex determination in humans. i'm talking about sex. again, sexed bodies only exist insofar as they are idealized gamete makers and gestaters. (the latter in the case of oogamy)
you'll find it is you who is obfuscating here.

@georgia

The OP was never about the physical act of sex, we are talking about what sex a person is.. so if you are talking about something else, thats fine, thats not the topic.

@yarra @a7

@freemo @yarra @a7 i'm not talking about coitus. i'm talking about the fusion of unalike gametes. medical dictionaries will naturally have an anatomical take rather than a broader one. which is, of course, that sex refers to gametes. if sex didn't refer to gametes, and just genitals, then it wouldn't be meaningful to call plants male and female. it is possible to have dimorphic gametes without dimorphic sexes, but not vise versa.

@georgia @freemo @a7 @yarra
the difference between primary sex determination and development of sex characteristics is totally lost on him

@georgia @a7 @freemo @yarra
tbh nevermind this thread is dead, i shouldn't have even tried to resurrect it

disregard

@freemo @georgia @yarra untag ME REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEe

you are an unpleasent fucking retard that enjoys sniffing their own farts, you just endless go “READ A BOOK” “YOU ARE GRADE SCHOOLERS”

you purposefully presented this entire thing as bait, not expressing your actual thought, you could of just posted “i read this cool paper about sexual dimorphism and spectrums” but no you presented your argument in this retarded way then acted like it was your argument and some sort of “duh common knowledge man stop being grade schoolers”

you are a fucking weird egotistical dishonest faggot and your very presence is uncomfortable and reeks of future serial killer.

@a7

It is such an obvious fact it really doesnt need to be expressed as anything more than common sense or accepted science... I entierly expect the few morons who cant see past their nose will come out of the wood work.. thats not who the post is for, but it does serve my purpose to know who are the morons who arent worth giving attention to in future conversations and who are bright enough to have valuable input on future discussions..

gotta throw a goose egg out from time to time to weed out the idiots and keep the timeline clean.

@yarra @georgia

@freemo @yarra @georgia the dictionary definition you pulled out on georgia doesnt even agree with you and you have to link your paper and go through weird fucking steps to even “prove your point” you dont have a point you are just a weird little faggot masturbating on the internet.