I am so old I remember a time when Republicans and Democrats were friends...

@freemo
It could happen again.

@pthenq1 Not anytime soon. All indications is that both parties are spiraling towards ever increasing extremism and violence.

@freemo
I don't see the blue one getting crazy.
Republicans have all the internal believers in conspirational and so on.

They hate. As we all can see in Fox news.

No matter. The global warming consequences will make them return to their senses...

@pthenq1 @freemo >I don't see the blue one getting crazy.

Oof, that's some next-level delusion you're living in.

@saitei

In his defense he doesnt live in the USA and relies largely on main stream media to form opinions. Needless to say he wont form very accurate opinions with that being his source.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 Yeah that sounds like he's living in a delusion. He could've just taken a couple seconds on any search engine to figure out that what he's saying makes no sense in reality, but he has apparently refused to do so for the past ten years.

@saitei

Even a google search will give you a lot of contradictory opinions and videos, I can certainly understand the incorrect impression one might get without being at ground 0.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 Well, when a simple search on any engine gives me that much contradictory information, it would encourage me to do more digging. Not just say "welp, this is too difficult, I'm going to ignore this and just accept whatever my favorite popular news media is telling me". That kinda feels like the worst possible thing to do if you care even slightly about truth.

@saitei

Ideally yes, more digging is in order. But when the landscape is so marred with misinformation I cant really hold it against someone who navigates that landscape and comes to the wrong conclusion despite doing research.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 With all due respect, I get the very strong vibe that no research has been done if someone has the audacity to claim that only the Republicans have ever done anything wrong in recent history.

@saitei

Me and him have argued about these points in detail. While I disagree with him, like you, he has shared enough links and videos and made enough comments on fine details that it would suggest he did some degree of research.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 I don't have this history with him, all I see is a short-sighted self-grandizing idiot who will gladly use racism to try and shut people up for daring to disagree with his delusional take on the world.

@saitei

His racist comment was the very first time ive seen him do that in all the time I knew him. I cant say I liked that tactic but it had less hate in it than most racism at least I guess ::shrug::... it is a shame that the first time your interacting with him is with that message honestly.

Either way I understand your reaction given the extent of violence we all went through at the hands of democrats for 4 years, even myself who opposed Trump got a lot of abuse from that side of the table.

@pthenq1

@freemo @saitei
I am a fellow American living in California. No everybody agree, but I think California is still part of the States.

Trump years created a lot of violence in both sides of the political spectrum.

I see people coming to their senses now. It doesn't mean agreement. Just normal political non violent debate.

I saw lot of violence against minorities in Trump years. In that matter things are better now.

@pthenq1 @freemo In my experience, Californians are pretty terrible at creating a nuanced point. Having dated one certainly made me lose all respect for them in general.

"Trump years" didn't really create the violence, it existed prior to him being elected. The media just suddenly had a great scapegoat to excuse any and all violence against the people they disagree with.

I've seen a lot of violence against ordinary white people too. But for some reason nobody cares when the whites are being disenfranchised, even though they built most of the modern world, and most of the modern infra you're using *right now* to shit on them.

@saitei @freemo I think Americans built it. No whites or colored :)

It is American infrastructure, no white infrastructure

@pthenq1 @freemo But when you disagree with it, it suddenly *is* a White problem, not an American problem? This is why people don't take the "racism issue" seriously.