I am so old I remember a time when Republicans and Democrats were friends...

@freemo
It could happen again.

@pthenq1 Not anytime soon. All indications is that both parties are spiraling towards ever increasing extremism and violence.

@freemo
I don't see the blue one getting crazy.
Republicans have all the internal believers in conspirational and so on.

They hate. As we all can see in Fox news.

No matter. The global warming consequences will make them return to their senses...

@pthenq1 @freemo >I don't see the blue one getting crazy.

Oof, that's some next-level delusion you're living in.

@saitei

In his defense he doesnt live in the USA and relies largely on main stream media to form opinions. Needless to say he wont form very accurate opinions with that being his source.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 Yeah that sounds like he's living in a delusion. He could've just taken a couple seconds on any search engine to figure out that what he's saying makes no sense in reality, but he has apparently refused to do so for the past ten years.

@saitei

Even a google search will give you a lot of contradictory opinions and videos, I can certainly understand the incorrect impression one might get without being at ground 0.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 Well, when a simple search on any engine gives me that much contradictory information, it would encourage me to do more digging. Not just say "welp, this is too difficult, I'm going to ignore this and just accept whatever my favorite popular news media is telling me". That kinda feels like the worst possible thing to do if you care even slightly about truth.

@saitei

Ideally yes, more digging is in order. But when the landscape is so marred with misinformation I cant really hold it against someone who navigates that landscape and comes to the wrong conclusion despite doing research.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 With all due respect, I get the very strong vibe that no research has been done if someone has the audacity to claim that only the Republicans have ever done anything wrong in recent history.

@saitei

Me and him have argued about these points in detail. While I disagree with him, like you, he has shared enough links and videos and made enough comments on fine details that it would suggest he did some degree of research.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 I don't have this history with him, all I see is a short-sighted self-grandizing idiot who will gladly use racism to try and shut people up for daring to disagree with his delusional take on the world.

@saitei

His racist comment was the very first time ive seen him do that in all the time I knew him. I cant say I liked that tactic but it had less hate in it than most racism at least I guess ::shrug::... it is a shame that the first time your interacting with him is with that message honestly.

Either way I understand your reaction given the extent of violence we all went through at the hands of democrats for 4 years, even myself who opposed Trump got a lot of abuse from that side of the table.

@pthenq1

@freemo @saitei
I am a fellow American living in California. No everybody agree, but I think California is still part of the States.

Trump years created a lot of violence in both sides of the political spectrum.

I see people coming to their senses now. It doesn't mean agreement. Just normal political non violent debate.

I saw lot of violence against minorities in Trump years. In that matter things are better now.

@pthenq1 @freemo In my experience, Californians are pretty terrible at creating a nuanced point. Having dated one certainly made me lose all respect for them in general.

"Trump years" didn't really create the violence, it existed prior to him being elected. The media just suddenly had a great scapegoat to excuse any and all violence against the people they disagree with.

I've seen a lot of violence against ordinary white people too. But for some reason nobody cares when the whites are being disenfranchised, even though they built most of the modern world, and most of the modern infra you're using *right now* to shit on them.

@saitei

Since I have worked in IT out of california many times my view of californias is going to be very skewed as my "sample" is not really the general population.

That said I have found californians to be extreme democrats usually favoring very excessive regulation to solve all of lifes problems. I would laugh at Cali when i was there because everything you bought and everything you did usually accompanied with fine print at the bottom of a sign that was half the length of the sign. I remember going to a park once and needed a lawyer to interpret the small-print at the bottom of the visitors welcome sign about all the things you cant do.

That said while I strongly disagree with the authoritative approach californians tend to embrace I wouldnt personally describe them as incapable of nuance, where they fail is their response to that nuance. They are often very bright people (in my circles) and more than capable to hold an intelligent well detailed argument. But in the end they just have their priorities all backwards where getting people to conform is more important than personal freedoms.

@pthenq1

@freemo @pthenq1 In my experience, they're quite dumb people that believe they're the smartest creatures on this entire planet. They love to call everyone racist simply for disagreeing with their politics, and won't shy away from trying to bully and harass people out of a job if calling them racist doesn't work. Though my view may be skewed because that's exactly what happened to me.

I also can't really take them seriously on their values of human beings given their lunatic views on gender and sexuality. LGBTQIAPP++ (or whatever nightmare they've made it into now) acceptance has been an atrocity for the human race.

@saitei @freemo

We have that quality. Californians are Awesome people.

I understand people misunderstanding strong regulations.

One way to see it is that you are free and own of your destiny. The world is not a place that you must crash while you look for self realization though.

So other people discovered, for example, that car pollution emissions are bad. And they did something about it. Therefore you will follow the law about using cars with cathalitics gas treatment and buying expensive gas super purified, either you believe in science or not, believe in global warming or not, etc.

Follow the regulations than older people than you or just better people than you put in place. Your self discovery is not required. And that's freedom.

You get this, you get California.

@pthenq1 @freemo California, with people living in tents, addicted to all sorts of drugs. While people in the most expensive cars just drive by not caring about it all. Where healthcare is reserved for the elite only. Just like the ability to have a roof.

That doesn't sound like something I would want to spread anywhere.

@saitei @pthenq1 @freemo I wonder if the State is making the hobos get vaccinated. What are they going to threaten them with? Forbid them from camping in underpasses?

@Simpadoo @freemo @pthenq1 "Will get vaccinated for food"

@saitei @freemo @pthenq1 Yeah, probably not. These hobos want weed, sex and other drugs. Food is a low priority for them.

@Simpadoo @freemo @pthenq1 "Will get vaccinated for fentanyl" then?

@saitei @freemo @pthenq1 Yup. That would definitely work.

@Simpadoo @saitei @freemo

They are getting vaccinated though.