@waltercool there was a workplace story i heard some years ago where someone was mad at the local muslim. he lost his temper and then removed himself from the room (good) but then the muslim decided to follow him in to the office without giving the guy some time to cool down and then uh. yeah. that was dumb. he gets yelled at and then is like "i should file this with HR!" i dun remember if he did or not but i was just thinking "well that's career suicide but go ahead."

you may get the pound of flesh from HR but then literally nobody is ever going to speak to you again

@icedquinn

Is the fact that he was Muslim relevant at all though? Seems the same anecdote leaving that out would have been just as true and relevant.

@waltercool

@freemo being a brown muslim gives him extra HR oppression credits for his workplace claim.
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@icedquinn

Ahh, perhaps, sure. Is there reason to think that was the case here though? Did the guy get reprimanded specifically for being prejudice?

@waltercool

@freemo i don't think i ever found out what happened to the guy. i think the papers just didn't get filed because nothing happened to the other guy either. it's really dumb to persue an angry person trying to disengage from the room.

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@freemo @waltercool the ever looming racism card didn't do as much damage as metoo stuff though. people have basically gotten rid of private offices because of the latter. its possible to defend against a racism claim apparently but a woman can just assassinate your character forever with basically no personal risk to herself.

@icedquinn

Me too had its place in the legitimate cases. the problem with everything feminist is they take it too far and do more harm than good despite having good intent.

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@freemo @icedquinn @waltercool

Pesky women, always taking their desire to end sexual harassment too far!

@socjuswiz

Yea, i mean, when you start accusing people of rape who didnt actually rape you, literally, then it is taking it too far. This shouldnt be a hard concept to understand.

@icedquinn @waltercool

@freemo @icedquinn @waltercool

And you have proof of that happening on a significant scale, i.e. more than a few unproven anecdotes?

@socjuswiz

There is about as much evidence of false accusations as there are of true ones... The bulk of cases in either category tend to be scarce when it comes to evidence. That is the very problem with treating them as true in the first place.

@icedquinn @waltercool

@freemo @icedquinn @waltercool

And I'm saying that as per Occam's Razor, the more likely thing is that the allegation is true. That's why it's normal for people to consider it true regardless of whether it can be proven in court and turned into an official punishment.

@socjuswiz

Actually ocams razor would imply we should not assume an accusation is true or false and assume that it is unknowable... Ocams razor dictates we must make the choice that makes the least assumptions, therefore we are dictated by ocams razor to not assume a claim to be true or false without evidence.

@icedquinn @waltercool

@freemo @icedquinn @waltercool

The fact that a woman claims that a man harassed her requires an explanation.

Since he cannot have both harassed and not harassed her, there are broadly only two possible explanations:

- He did it (men do that commonly for pleasure, no further explanation needed)

- She's lying (why should she, further explanation is needed)
@socjuswiz this explanation literally carries the presupposition that males are guilty by default ("men do that commonly") and women are innocent by default ("why would they lie")

occam's razor was developed to select formulas that address the outcome of observations of physical experiments.

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@icedquinn @freemo @waltercool

Men commonly sexually harass women, that is literally not even up for debate lol.

I'm removing myself from this discussion because arguing against three people at once is tiring, especially since I think all three of you lack even the most basic understanding of sexism / social context.
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@socjuswiz

I would imagine all three of us have the same impression of you as completely lacking even the most basic understanding of sexism / social context.

@icedquinn @waltercool

@freemo i dunno. i don't really have any sympathy or care for the majority of the neoleft's concepts of gender politics.

if she says yes its a yes if she says no then stop immediately. end of.

all that other crap about "i'm gonna say yes but i dont actually mean it and/or i did mean it when i said it but i reserve the right to retroactively have been abused" can fuck right off

@socjuswiz @waltercool

@icedquinn

foir sure. neoliberals are a stain and ruining any real progress for women or sexism in general.

@socjuswiz @waltercool

@icedquinn @socjuswiz @freemo Sadly, gender politics are same as race politics, they are good intended but will only affect them negatively.

The more you try to protect legally some ethnic, race, gender… the more people will avoid them. Discrimination laws aren’t a way to resolve anything.

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