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The issue with the list is that it clearly suppresses evidence that is not in line with the operators opinions, effectively lying by ommitting relevant context to distort the truth.
See my list on the talk page.. Despitte being respectful and showing a mountain of evidence to disprove the evidence claimed for QOTO on the block list none of this evidence was actually added (in fact in response they added another entry claiming I harassed her). Instead despite the polite mention I was blocked.
https://joinfediverse.wiki/Talk:FediBlock
This isnt a case of "admins make up your own mind".. this is a case of explicitly lieing, presenting on the cherry picked out of context evidence to support your agenda and suppressing all evidence that disproves the claim int he block.
Is that really a block list you want to support? I mean come on the majority of instances on the list dont even bother providing evidence.
Apparently being, even to shitty people, is a dog whistle, but only when those shitty people arent you :)
One of the things I've tentatively concluded in my journey from teenage libertarianism to old-guy leftism, is that being nice to shitty people is in some cases a bad idea. :)
But regardless, as Jon says, preventing all of one's users from seeing qoto, not because of anything actually on the server, but in order to indirectly pressure its mod to behave differently, seems to be a pretty weird set of priorities to me.
Good heavens! That section of the talk page certainly makes it clear now the kind of thing that's going on. It really is just a Paula Don't Like You List, which is a fine thing for Paula to have, but it distresses me that it's being advertised as some kind of centralized list that people can use.
Even though it says that everyone using it should check every item, people are lazy, and some aren't going to do that.
The point that no mod should be that lazy is well taken, so maybe any such servers are no great loss anyway, but I feel sorry for their users.
@freemo @toxomat @shelenn @ceoln A list that blocks instances solely for "ancap, libertarianism" isn't credible. To be fair, I block the hell out of sites for "communism, Marxism." But that's just me. I'm not representing myself as an authority that others should follow in that regard.
We do need a central library of instance categorizations so that people can make their own choices. This isn't it.
Agreed, that is actually something I'm working on with the United Federation of Instances I am trying to build #UFoI
The purpose of coalitions would be to basically curate lists using due process for various purposes, thus ensuring the lists are accurate and include all evidence. Which is what you are talking aboutt.
See here for the current proposal, if your interested in it let me know and I can connect you more with the discussions (its democratic so all voices welcome as it is still inn formation):
https://ufoi.gitlab.io/constitution/united_federation_of_instances_proposal.pdf
@freemo
When people abuse terms like TOS, hate speech, etc. to justify censorship, you aren't having a logical discussion. Some won't accept reality and need to exist in a protected reality bubble. No amount of discussion will change minds of those who don't want to hear certain things since they do not like them, disagree with them, lack tools to be around them or reject them. Reality is difficult and unfair and our job as humans is to make the best we can of it. Unfortunately it can be mislabeled as hate or non-supportive even though it's not the case.
Keep working at it, your doing good things for the communities. I chose this STEM based instance because topics and discussions can be hard. And it's important and healthy to learn how to have those discussions, make mistakes, apologize, disagree, change yourself and keep going.
Thank you for your blood sweat and tears.
@freemo @toxomat @shelenn @ceoln There are some heads that only see a way to engage in a dialogue: by imposing their will. They don't care about logic, truth or dialogue with the parts, making agreements and concessions. So, they silence others. That's why we have so many little dictatorships in our Fediverse. These immature and authoritarian admins are building a Fediverse which is the opposite of its main goal! Dialogue is the way to go!
I agree, and its why I think the #UFoI stands such a good chance of succeeding and counter that... the central idea is dialog, evidence, and due process.
@freemo @toxomat @shelenn @ceoln the latest comment reads to me as.... Despite proof Yay all stated concerns are resolved, there's still problems and if you don't know, I'm not going to tell you.
Hardly treating others well with that kind of attitude. Feels less like a vetted list and more like.. the Paula Don't Like You list. 🤣
Treating others well is one thing I think #qoto is known for. Sad that the idea isn't shared more widely.