Is there anyone out there who can come up with a coherent explanation of why Britain is so critically short of some fruit and veg that supermarkets are imposing rationing and yet from all the photos I have seen, and my own personal experience here in Luxembourg, there are absolutely no such shortages in other countries in northern Europe, yet according to the mainstream media in Britain, it's due to absolutely anything their imaginative reporters can dream up EXCEPT Brexit. It rather seems to me that if France, on Britain's doorstep, has absolutely no shortage whatsoever and Britain is rationing, that blaming the weather in Morocco or elsewhere is an exercise in gaslighting rather than in factual reporting.
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@Paulos_the_fog If it were brexit then wouldnt it be common in other non-EU countries? Yet as far as I know other non-EU countries have no problem with food shortages.
@freemo @Paulos_the_fog Brexit wouldn't have happened in the first place if the UK Government was in any way competent. Brexit is a symptom of incompetence and incompetence continues to compound Brexit.
Not sure i agree, brexit was certainly mismanaged and a cluster fuck from both the torries and labour, but the principle of not promoting global centralized governance was the right choice in principle.
@freemo @CloudyMrs @Paulos_the_fog global centralized government? The EU does no such thing. The UK is the most centralized and least democratic state in Europe. The EU is a association of member states that act collectively in their common interest, each of which can leave without permission, in contrast w UK "members". Do let us know which jointly agreed laws oppressed you.
First off i never said i support the UK either, i woukd break up the UK the same way i would break up the UK.
Secondly i dont recall stating any particular EU law oppressed me. Also try discussing in a more mature tone, you are coming across as if your a step away from being rude simply because someone has a different opinion than you, id imagine your better than that.
Obviously when i say centralized government i mean large governing bodies that govern large portions of the planet, with a preference for small local governments. I beleive that to be thr case no matter how well governed it may be at the current moment.
Yes as an american citizen i likewise support state rights over national rights and feel the us shoukd be broken up or at a minimum the centralization of power in the national govt curtailed or eliminated (as do many americans btw).
Oh and thank you for changing your tone to a more respectful one, it was noticed and appreciated.
@freemo @CloudyMrs @Paulos_the_fog I recommend you inform yourself about the Trilogue process. Good luck with the break-up of the US.
FWIW many Europeans are tired of American antagonism to the EU, a great deal of which is based on resentment of it being to stand up the US in matters of trade. Trump's appointee Mick Mulvaney eg, was perfectly clear about this: US would get a better deal if it could bully smaller countries. Not going to happen.
> I recommend you inform yourself about the Trilogue process. Good luck with the break-up of the US.
I am very well aware of what the Trilogue process is. Likewise I'd like to suggest you try a more mature debating style, it is likely to allow your conversations to be more productive.
For example instead of saying "I recommend you inform yourself about the Trilogue process" Which is condescending and implies, without any basis, that i must be ignorant on what that is you try something more like "Are you familiar with the Trilogue process, if not check it out it might change your opinion"... There is very clear tone in how you speak that is very childish and antagonistic and it isnt doing you any favors.
> FWIW many Europeans are tired of American antagonism to the EU, a great deal of which is based on resentment of it being to stand up the US in matters of trade. Trump's appointee Mick Mulvaney eg, was perfectly clear about this: US would get a better deal if it could bully smaller countries. Not going to happen.
Well it already did happen, brexit happened. Not sure if it will happen again but other countries have their own brexit support going as well that may in the coming years follow the same pattern as the UK (or perhaps not). Its a growing movement in the netherlands for example (called Nexit there).
That said I think its a fair concern that large abusive countries like the USA cause the formation of other large entities (like the EU) that themselves have the potential to devolve into abusive entities. As I said I'd be happy to reduce the powers of the EU and USA both.
That said keep in mind im only against globalized (or at least large) bodies of governance. There are ways to organize and stand up against the USA that doesnt require a governing body that resembles the EU.
@freemo @CloudyMrs @Paulos_the_fog
remarkable that you claim to be informed about the Trilogue process but still make a completely baseless assertion about centralized governance in the EU.
As for other ways to resist bullying by large countries, no doubt you'll be able to furnish some examples.
Meanwhile, we can see which way Ukraine is voting on this.
You could try asking for elaboration on what I meant by centralization. That would be much more productive than this strutting around your doing.
@freemo @CloudyMrs @Paulos_the_fog the canard about centralized govt is just that, a canard.
The EU has the largest and best, and best governed, free trade zone in the world. Achieved without centralized govt.
https://fsi.stanford.edu/events/why-europe%E2%80%99s-single-market-surpassed-america%E2%80%99s
In favour of breaking up the US too?