Is there anyone out there who can come up with a coherent explanation of why Britain is so critically short of some fruit and veg that supermarkets are imposing rationing and yet from all the photos I have seen, and my own personal experience here in Luxembourg, there are absolutely no such shortages in other countries in northern Europe, yet according to the mainstream media in Britain, it's due to absolutely anything their imaginative reporters can dream up EXCEPT Brexit. It rather seems to me that if France, on Britain's doorstep, has absolutely no shortage whatsoever and Britain is rationing, that blaming the weather in Morocco or elsewhere is an exercise in gaslighting rather than in factual reporting.

@Paulos_the_fog If it were brexit then wouldnt it be common in other non-EU countries? Yet as far as I know other non-EU countries have no problem with food shortages.

@freemo @Paulos_the_fog Brexit wouldn't have happened in the first place if the UK Government was in any way competent. Brexit is a symptom of incompetence and incompetence continues to compound Brexit.

@CloudyMrs

Not sure i agree, brexit was certainly mismanaged and a cluster fuck from both the torries and labour, but the principle of not promoting global centralized governance was the right choice in principle.

@Paulos_the_fog

@CloudyMrs

The consequence of a mismanaged brexit, as i already said was an issue.

@Paulos_the_fog

@freemo @Paulos_the_fog and as I said, the UK Government is incompetent and has been for at least five Prime Ministers. That's why we have Brexit and that's why vegetables have become an unattainable luxury for most people who live in the UK. It's only going to get worse.

Follow

@CloudyMrs

Yes, and i said as much myself, id also break up the UK, so we agree in that regard.

@Paulos_the_fog

@freemo @Paulos_the_fog I'd never say I want to break up the UK. The future of the UK isn't part of the framing atall. Scottish independence is about Scotland and our future. The idea of the UK already feels quite abstract and is certainly very remote.

@CloudyMrs

Sure, and I can understand that. But I wasnt implying **you** wanted to break up the UK.. I am stating that **I** would support breaking up the UK, just as I support breaking up the EU.

@Paulos_the_fog

@freemo @Paulos_the_fog how would you break up the UK? Nations? Regions? City States?

@CloudyMrs

Similar to what I would do for the USA... Instead of having a structure where national government overrules local governments/regions inverse that where the local regions laws and rules take precedence over national. The role of the larger bodies therefore is to set up voluntary alliances local governments can opt into or out of if they meet certain requirements and get certain benefits.

This way the UK in its current form doesnt exist and instead it becomes a loose coalition of countless initiatives that local governments can opt-into or not.

Its actually the same fundemental idea as what the USA was in the early days where state rights took precendence over national laws and states could choose to adopt laws or not and receive benefits if they do.

A practical example is how laws were passed that set a drinking age in the USA. Basically states got together and agreed to pay a tax and make laws to set drinking age and in return those states that did so agreed to share the tax money to create interstate highways. It was totally opt-in but the benefit of organizing in this way was so high that virtually all states adopted the law.

Of course there are many civil rights issues in early america, so im not suggesting the whole kit and caboodle be adopted as a good framework. But the general idea of local-first government is a good example of how it could work.

@Paulos_the_fog

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Qoto Mastodon

QOTO: Question Others to Teach Ourselves
An inclusive, Academic Freedom, instance
All cultures welcome.
Hate speech and harassment strictly forbidden.