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@LadyDragonfly True, but it forgets to mention the devistating effect this has had in violent acts, and rape cases. They replaced the death of a child or two and traded it for tens of thousands of rape and other victims... Not really a win IMO.
Yes the solution absolutely lies in a combination of social problems and mental health accedd.
That said we can show that quite clearly when you start banning guns rape cases go up.. so there is a case to say that you can help prevent rape with better access to guns.
Dude literally said banning guns in 1996 caused rape cases to go up in 1970 and sat back like he made a point 😳😆
Not sure what your smoking but said nothing of the sort.. the chart I posted clearly shows a trend of rape cases increasing int he years following 1996 with a huge increase in the rate of increase... What you said has no reality or connection in anything I said, try again.
Read the linked article, come back after:
1. Reading
2. Understanding
3. Taking your meds
We can't have a conversation when one of us is straight up lying. (Pssst, that's you)
> 1. Reading
At no point in this thread did I, or you post any links to anything, let alone and article
You probably mean int he co-thread over here?
https://universeodon.com/@LadyDragonfly/110101801862192785
> 2. Understanding
Already read and understood it... I am discussing **your** points, not the articles.. so you would like to discuss any aspect of the article we didnt, feel free, but I already refuted the points you made in the post you linked to and explained why they were incorrect. Anything else int he article feel free to bring up if you wish.
> 3. Taking your meds
Ahh good old "I am wrong so now im going to act like a toddler having a tantrum and result to personal insults"... great way to prove you have 0 credibility, thank you for this one.
Also, considering you literally hallucinated me saying things that I at no point said... well.. might want some self reflection on this one.
> We can't have a conversation when one of us is straight up lying. (Pssst, that's you)
Yea... i mean your the one who said i said a thing that i never said, multiple times, and when challenged to show me the quote of me saying it... silence... soooooooo yea not me sorry.
Reading is fundamental bro. Why is it all you weird 2a people are so so so bad at, just, like, basic reading comprehension??
Sooooo, yes what I said was correct, could of just said that.. you were referring to a different thread.. gotcha.
Literally the thread I linked to when I asked by the way... so LOL on the not reading bit.. maybe you should have read what **I** said when I linked it :)
@freemo @bonifartius lmaooooo ok, so you're just going to declare victory and walk away. K. Byeeee, you extremely not serious person.
@LadyDragonfly lol, taking guns from lawful citizens and doing nothing with illegal arms - yeah, that's on @freemo in straight lying category
taking meds - very nice ad hominem attack (you definitely would know something about taking meds from first hand experience)
@freemo cool story bro.
1. The Dunblane massacre happened in 1996. Sexual crimes have been on an upward trend in Scotland since the 70s. Are you saying that a law passed in 1996 caused a rapist to rape in 1971?
2. The graph you showed included several crimes including cyber crimes, which comprise most of the assaults. I wonder whether there might be another reason people committed more cyber crimes in the 2000s onward than in the 1960??
3. The actual stats show that deaths from firearms decreased dramatically in the 10-20 years following the tighter gun control laws, and it's only in the last 2 or 3 years they've begun creeping back up again.
4. Stop lying. If you have to lie to make your point, your point is dogshit.
https://www.gov.scot/publications/recorded-crime-scotland-2021-2022/pages/6/
> cool story bro.
Lets not let this devolve into an imature insult fest.. leave the snarky comments out, ill do the same, lets stick to a mature convesation.
> 1. The Dunblane massacre happened in 1996. Sexual crimes have been on an upward trend in Scotland since the 70s. Are you saying that a law passed in 1996 caused a rapist to rape in 1971?
This is pretty severe intellectual dishonesty, and I think you know it... while technically true look at the rate at which rape crimes were rising in the chart i showed. Then look at the rate they rose in the year or two after the ban as guns slowly trickled off tthe street. It is very clear that the rate of rise **significantly** increased in the years following the ban.
> 2. The graph you showed included several crimes including cyber crimes, which comprise most of the assaults. I wonder whether there might be another reason people committed more cyber crimes in the 2000s onward than in the 1960??
Somewhat fair criticism. Attached is now the chart excludes to rape and rape attempts... Sadly we see the exact same trend of a slow increase before the ban, and a very sharp increase after the ban.
> 3. The actual stats show that deaths from firearms decreased dramatically in the 10-20 years following the tighter gun control laws, and it's only in the last 2 or 3 years they've begun creeping back up again.
Again an intellectually dishonest argument.. Of course the death **from firearms** decreased. Much int he same way someone who was an antivaxxer would correctly, though intellectually dishonestly, woudl claim that banning vaccines would decrease the deaths **from vaccines**. In both of those invalid arguments the problem is you are ignoring the fact that guns, like vaccines, prevent **non-gun related violence**. Thus why we look at things like rape, or violent acts to get a more accurate picture, and dont play those sort of intellectual gymnastics that we all know sounds nice, but is paramount to lying.
> 4. Stop lying. If you have to lie to make your point, your point is dogshit.
I lied? Where. I have cited my points, back them up with charts, and in the case where you made a valid criticism I adapted to your argument and my point was still valid.... you might want to look in the mirror ont his one.
@freemo dude you literally said a 1996 gun ban caused sex crimes to go up in the 1970s and can't figure out that maybe cyber crimes went up when computers and the internet became a thing, then say back like you thought you made a point. You ok, moonpie? Your head doesn't seem screwed down right.
Please show me where I said that.. Is aid nothing even remotely resembling what you just said I said.
You're fucking terrible at gaslighting.
Yea, people are usually terrible at doing a thing their not doing, thats what happens when you dont do the thing :)
@freemo @LadyDragonfly I don't know how you can connect an event in 1996 (the pistol ban) with a graph where nothing special happens in 1996, and a slow upward trend persists from 1971 to about 2012, where it gets notably faster. That's 16 years after handguns were made illegal.
Actually you are right, i read the graph wrong. The rise was significantly later
@freemo @LadyDragonfly you can probably get people to not snap anymore by fixing social issues. you can't magically get rapists and other sociopaths - which always exist - to not rape or violate others anymore.