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How many police officers does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Two, one to screw it in, the other to shoot your dog.
I'm surprised to see you use the tag, "All Cops Are Bad".
I think that phrase and the anti-cop sentiment in general is part of an exogenous influence campaign to erode honesty and respect for the law, and to ultimately undermine civil order.
B = Bastards
To be clear I only think All USA cops are bad. Outside the USA I find cops to mostly be fairly reasonable.
Assomeone from the USA I have expirenced a *huge** portion of cops abuse their power and are "bastards".. All the other cops may not be bastards themselves but they witness their colleagues on a daily basis abuse their power and never arrest them. This makes them bad people as well. Ergo 100% of cops in the USA are bastards either by letting their colleagues abuse their power, or by abusing their power themselves.
Every cop I know, and every cop I have ever known, has been honest and law-abiding. (Except the one guy who cheated on wife; he was still a nice guy who was just thinking with wrong head).
People decide to become cops because they respect the law and they don't like bad guys.
It is very rare for a cop to be a criminal themselves. Occasionally a bad one will get into leadership and that can cause a problem with those who work under them, but that is really rare.
Remember, the news only reports the bad ones and the fact that it makes the news at all is an indication that it is different than the norm.
@Pat Yea tghe cops you know are always the nice ones... Its only when you challenge them or give them side idea they will use their power to abuse you.
All you have to do is watch any of the tons of 1A or 2A auditors on youtube to see just how unbelievable often they will abuse their power... I myself know the countless times ive personally witnessed cops being abusive...
Your experience does not add up to reality.
@Pat No youtube video and news isnt my lens.. the fact that police officers are 4x more likely to commit abuse and similar statistics is what ultimately drives my opinion...
But youtuve is more effective for arguments.. go to long island audit as a perfect example.. its not a compilation of the worst of youtube.. it is one guy who is VERY transparent (and even talks about his hit or miss ratio)... he goes constantly to places and peacefully films and then shares all the police violations against him. Its an endless stream of violations and quite clear that it isnt "inflated" since he is not just transparent and fair in his dealings, but its one man so he can only go so many places...
You say that youtube is not your lens, and then you go on about some guy on youtube filming cops.
I lived a long life and very early on I hung out with people who were not so law abiding. They didn't like cops and it gave me a certain impression. Later on I learned more and knew people who followed the law and the perspective was different, and the cops I met and knew personally were all very nice.
You should not base your views on what you see on youtube or the news.
Also, there is another driver at work to undermine respect for the police. Wealthy people feel that their elite position is being threatened right now by the democratizing effects of technology. One of the techniques that they are using to counter that effect is to try to make people who are not in elite positions to fight amongst themselves. They also want to ward off any revolutions. One way to do that is to try to get the more restive folks to hate police -- because the wealthy want the police to defend their elite position. If they get their enemies (poor people) to disrespect cops, then the cops will be less likely to join the revolution. The irony is that cops are one of the most abused tools of the wealthy, but they don't even know it.
@Pat I said youtube wasnt my lens and then gave the actual statistic that was an example what was...
Explaining th eyoutube example doesnt make it my lens, it makes it an example that is impactful.. My views are based on the cold hard facts, cops are 4x more likely to beat their wives.. and generally more likely to be assholes in almost every other scenario too.... they are also much more likely to be arrested.
I grew up in a family with several cops.. ive seen it first hand. I dont need to go on another ride along to see it. I also know if i ever got in trouble I could just tell them I had a cop for an uncle and pass them my card and get off scott free.
>"... and generally more likely to be assholes in almost every other scenario too...."
Care to cite the study that you got that statistic from?
Jeff, you're a wealthy person, I think. You know that the wealthy are trying to sow disrespect for cops, to turn people against cops so that cops will be more willing to act to try to suppress a revolution when the wealthy call on them to do that. You know that, right?
@Pat Sure, just go into the police crime database and run the numbers yourself... If you want a summary this article seems to make an attempt at summarizing some aspects of it for the general public (note the most common thing for a cop to be convicted of on or off duty is assault, and rape is in the top 10):
https://www.vice.com/en/article/595kv3/police-crime-database
As for the wealthy trying to turn people against cops... thats not what I've seen. The overwhelming majority of the wealthy seem to be leaning right and are **very** pro cop. It is the liberals, who tend to be more middle class and poor, who hate cops, and with good cause.
For the record I grew up in extreme poverty, my opinion of cops is largely formed by my experience and how they treated me when I was younger. Luckily as an adult Im rich enough to rarely set foot in america, which I avoid largely because of the abusive nature of the cops and the distrust I have in the system when I am there. Well that and americans just suck in general.
Have you ever seen the movie American Graffiti (1973)? It came out at the height of unrest in the US toward the end of the Vietnam War protests. The primary propaganda purpose of that film was to instill in the population a disrespect for cops. (The film was targeted toward young people and mostly the poor and middle class.) They put out this propaganda for the reason I cited earlier -- to condition cops to be more likely to suppress a revolution rather than to join with it.
History repeats itself. I've seen it. I've lived it. It's happening again.
Regarding cops occasionally getting into trouble with the law when they are off duty, that would seem to counter your assertion that the law enforcement system is corrupt and that cops watch out for each other and let each other get away committing crimes.
Cops are no different than us -- they are the targets of a plutocratic system that is trying to turn people against each other in order to preserve the position of the wealthy and politically connected.
@Pat No it doesnt counter my assertion because cops arent the only ones who can arrest cops.. civilians can press criminal charges too.. So when an incident is public and hard to cover up only then does it result in action...
What youll see is their arrest rate is actually less overall than the average person, but suspiciously the things they do tend to get arrested for are absolutely heinous like rape and assault being oin the top 10.
Cops are very different than us.. they are above the law, protect each other to make sure they are above the law, and get to dominate over other people as a living.. it is a recipe for the worst sort of people, and in the USA it has become just that.
Woof!
@freemo
>"Your experience does not add up to reality."
Neither does yours. Everyone has their own lens on the world, but if youtube videos and the news is your lens, then you definitely have a more distorted view.
Also, if all or most of your interactions with police are during an incident that they are responding to, especially if they were called to respond to something that you're involved with, then that will seem negative right from the get-go.
If you want to get more objectivity, get to know a cop when she is off duty or ask to go on a ride-along with a cop for an entire shift or two. Then you will have a more objective view. (And no, reality shows about cops are definitely not an objective view.)