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@freemo Pride means different things to different people TBH…for some people it is.
Anyone can have any opinion they want, even objectively wrong opinions.
@freemo Because of that, it’s a bit erroneous to say that everyone has the same opinion about something.
@realcaseyrollins I dont recall saying everyone had the same opinion about anything... huh?
@freemo You said that to everyone, “pride isn’t about turning straight kids into queer kids, pride is about not turning queer kids into dead kids”, no?
@freemo Maybe I’m being pedantic here, but for a vocal minority, it most certainly is about turning straight kids into queer kids
Yes there is a very vocal, and very incorrect, minority who have that opinion despite the fact that is contrary to the reality, on that we agree.
@freemo Yeah. I’m just being pedantic, probably.
@realcaseyrollins Well im not sure its about being padantic... since it wasnt a missed detail.
I think its more the interpretation of what I said, which is different from what I actually said (or at least intended to)...
You thought I was saying X (the image I posted) was everyones point of view. I was saying it is the objective reality but there are many opinions that disagree. These are very different things.
Yes but your still talking about what a statement "means" as in, what it means to a person (in this case pride).
I am not talking about what pride means at all, I am talking about what it is, in other words, the measurable tangible results, not just my opinion on what the consequences of it are. I was never claiming what the objective **meaning** of pride was... I did claim what the effects of pride is, big difference in what were talking about still.
@realcaseyrollins You are correct I was refering to the gay pride movement.
What pride is, is a definition. While that may have relevance to identifying when we see pride, and thus attach any metric to it to measure it.. it is still vastly different from dictating what the consequences of price is.
Lets be clear, pride is not needing to hide your LGBTQ status and not being ashamed of it.. it is about loving one's self and that quality along with it, rather than being ashamed.
You can of course take that pride to many levels, both good and bad, no one would argue there isnt a bad level of pride in general, I think we all recognize pride can be a harmful quality in many forms.
@freemo So long as we’re operating from different standards as far as what makes something mean something, I don’t think we’d be able to come to a precise, stable consensus on what the pride movement means.
@freemo True. We probably disagree on what gives something meaning; to me, the meaning of something is split 50/50 between the people who made or said the thing, and the people who perceive or experience the thing. There can even be a point in which the original meaning of something is completely overridden by colloquial usage, to the point where origins don’t matter at all (such as the word “gay”), or an event like #Thanksgiving, which was originally intended to celebrate and embrace thankfulness for blessings, became an event for equal parts thankfulness as well as greed. Then you’ve got vocal minorities chiming in on other things, such as saying the #FourthOfJuly is a celebration of fascism or colonialism or some such nonsense, or that #Juneteenth is a celebration of wokeness and #CRT.
Now to you, perhaps you may count original intent as the objective meaning of something, which I suppose with work for you fairly well so long as we remain relatively close to the inception of what we’re talking about. As time goes on though, those sorts of definitions can be overridden and you’re left adhering to archaic understandings of things.
After all, nobody uses what’s now known as the f slur to refer to a bundle anymore. But does that mean that the objective meaning of that word is not a bundle?