@realcaseyrollins

Anyone can have any opinion they want, even objectively wrong opinions.

@freemo Because of that, it’s a bit erroneous to say that everyone has the same opinion about something.

@realcaseyrollins I dont recall saying everyone had the same opinion about anything... huh?

@freemo You said that to everyone, “pride isn’t about turning straight kids into queer kids, pride is about not turning queer kids into dead kids”, no?

@freemo Maybe I’m being pedantic here, but for a vocal minority, it most certainly is about turning straight kids into queer kids

@realcaseyrollins

Yes there is a very vocal, and very incorrect, minority who have that opinion despite the fact that is contrary to the reality, on that we agree.

@freemo Yeah. I’m just being pedantic, probably.

@realcaseyrollins Well im not sure its about being padantic... since it wasnt a missed detail.

I think its more the interpretation of what I said, which is different from what I actually said (or at least intended to)...

You thought I was saying X (the image I posted) was everyones point of view. I was saying it is the objective reality but there are many opinions that disagree. These are very different things.

@freemo True. We probably disagree on what gives something meaning; to me, the meaning of something is split 50/50 between the people who made or said the thing, and the people who perceive or experience the thing. There can even be a point in which the original meaning of something is completely overridden by colloquial usage, to the point where origins don’t matter at all (such as the word “gay”), or an event like #Thanksgiving, which was originally intended to celebrate and embrace thankfulness for blessings, became an event for equal parts thankfulness as well as greed. Then you’ve got vocal minorities chiming in on other things, such as saying the #FourthOfJuly is a celebration of fascism or colonialism or some such nonsense, or that #Juneteenth is a celebration of wokeness and #CRT.

Now to you, perhaps you may count original intent as the objective meaning of something, which I suppose with work for you fairly well so long as we remain relatively close to the inception of what we’re talking about. As time goes on though, those sorts of definitions can be overridden and you’re left adhering to archaic understandings of things.

After all, nobody uses what’s now known as the f slur to refer to a bundle anymore. But does that mean that the objective meaning of that word is not a bundle?

@realcaseyrollins

Yes but your still talking about what a statement "means" as in, what it means to a person (in this case pride).

I am not talking about what pride means at all, I am talking about what it is, in other words, the measurable tangible results, not just my opinion on what the consequences of it are. I was never claiming what the objective **meaning** of pride was... I did claim what the effects of pride is, big difference in what were talking about still.

@freemo Huh? I thought for sure by including the #LGBT hashtag you were referring to the gay pride movement. What pride is and what it means is a distinction with little difference.

@realcaseyrollins You are correct I was refering to the gay pride movement.

What pride is, is a definition. While that may have relevance to identifying when we see pride, and thus attach any metric to it to measure it.. it is still vastly different from dictating what the consequences of price is.

Lets be clear, pride is not needing to hide your LGBTQ status and not being ashamed of it.. it is about loving one's self and that quality along with it, rather than being ashamed.

You can of course take that pride to many levels, both good and bad, no one would argue there isnt a bad level of pride in general, I think we all recognize pride can be a harmful quality in many forms.

@freemo So long as we’re operating from different standards as far as what makes something mean something, I don’t think we’d be able to come to a precise, stable consensus on what the pride movement means.

@realcaseyrollins

No I didnt say "to everyone", thats the part you added (and the relevant part).

I claimed that the statement is objectively true, but that doesnt mean everyone's opinions line up with the objective truth.

@freemo @realcaseyrollins
>I claimed that the statement is objectively true

Bold statement.

@voidabyss @freemo Now THAT is objectively true!

@realcaseyrollins @freemo This thread revolves around “queer kids” yet no one has objectively explain what’s a “queer kid”?? 😞

@voidabyss @freemo Queer kids are kids who like having non-heterosexual sex, or who have non cisgender gender identities, I would presume

@realcaseyrollins @freemo Wow,

kids who like having non-heterosexual sex,

At what age kids start experimenting and developing sexual preference?

non cisgender gender identities

What identity is that?

@voidabyss @freemo

At what age kids start experimenting and developing sexual preference?

Puberty, if they’re not being groomed.

What identity is that?

Cisgender? It’s just normal, it means your gender identity corresponds to your biological sex.

@realcaseyrollins @freemo

Puberty, if they’re not being groomed.

This whole gender ideology cult seems like a scheme to confuse, sexualise and control kids, then push them toward the medical and pharmaceutical industry as early as possible. It’s pure evil.

Cisgender

It’s a made up term by the gender ideology cult that sound scientific, but it has no basis to it. https://reduxx.info/cis-coined-by-pedosexual-physician/

There are two gender:male and female.

Other “gender identities” are made up terms by people to live in their fantasy, as long as they don’t push their believe on others I don’t really care.

@icedquinn I think they are mostly proud of surviving a long history of oppression and death and making it out the other side.

@icedquinn @freemo I agree. We also have 'deaf pride' here, which can go ridiculously far as well..

I think pride is either a misnomer.. or you need to see it at an individual level: You can be proud of who you are, just because you are yourself. No lying to yourself. If you're gay, fine, be proud of yourself! If you're deaf, fine, be proud of yourself! No need to be ashamed!

@trinsec @freemo there is no aspie pride. we just endure.

@icedquinn @freemo True, but that's because us aspies kinda just... well see my earlier point. :D We already feel like this I bet, so we don't feel like it.

@trinsec

LGBTQ have a long history of being shamed, and being stuck "in the closet" out of shame and fear... the use of the term "pride" is a counter to that, it isnt about being prideful of who you are, it is about having enough pride to not be ashamed of it.

@icedquinn

@freemo
So, basically what I just said. :D The same counts for deaf people, you know.

@icedquinn

@trinsec

I'd certainly have nothing with deaf pride though either.. but since being deaf is so much harder to hide im not sure it has the same dynamic of being "in the closet". Though I am sure there has been no shortage of deaf people being shamed.

@icedquinn

@freemo @icedquinn Oh, but the problem is exactly because being deaf is not visible enough. You're blind? People help you. Wheelchair? People help you. Deaf? HOW RUDE WHY DID YOU NOT RESPOND TO ME *BAF*

@freemo @icedquinn Or what about this:
This deaf moron couldn't understand what I'm saying, they must be a retard.

@freemo @icedquinn I remember at least 3 decades ago, many deaf people want to hide they're deaf. They were ashamed to even use sign language in public. My generation or the one right before mine might be the first ones who are like 'eff it'. Still a bit ashamed for people looking our way but also recalcitrant like staring back and then smiling ridiculously and waving back so the hearies all just look away, embarassed themselves.

@freemo @icedquinn Ok, that's enough soapbox for me. I have to prepare to go to job, and I get worked up here, lol. Cya!

@trinsec

Makes sense, I learned something.

@icedquinn

@trinsec @freemo @icedquinn

For the record, I've never shamed a deaf person for being deaf. My sign language may not be perfect, but my mime is top-shelf.

@lucifargundam @freemo @icedquinn Heh heh. In an airplane, on the way to home for Xmas, there was a steward trying to ask me which meal I'd prefer. So he mimed a cow and a chicken in a fun way. I had to laugh. I don't remember which one I chose for my meal. ;)

Miming's fine, as long as it's genuine. :) I've had a few fun encounters with that.

@trinsec @lucifargundam @icedquinn

Now i wanna play charades.

@freemo @lucifargundam @icedquinn Charades is harder for us than you think, since we're not allowed to use sign language.. :D

@trinsec @lucifargundam @icedquinn

Just gotta make up your own sign language :]

@freemo @lucifargundam @icedquinn As soon as it is a 'language' it's not a charade anymore. ;)

@freemo @trinsec @lucifargundam you could say facing and being expected to stiff upper lift a significant amount of adversity has made me more cold hearted about facing adversity.

if i took it on the broadsides, lived, and was demanded to remain stoic, what the hell is everyone else crowing about?

@trinsec @freemo the same people who want dead naming to be hate speech have no problem denying neurodivergence and demanding papers.

i'll see myself out.

GOY!

@trinsec @icedquinn

I've never noticed this myself, but how could I? I could count on one hand the number of deaf, blind, and mute people I have met in my 40 years of life, literally... at least in person that I knew about. 2 deaf people in my whole life, and similar numbers of blind.. never met a mute.

That said I'm sure you would know far more than me, so I defer to you on this one. It makes sense re: visibility I suppose.

@Romaq There is no magical formula for a platform where people wont suck sadly.

@freemo Aye.