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@freemo Nah, he's still very bad, and I doubt he's doing anything out of principles, but populism.
@olives that could be... ill let ya know once i do some research if my opinions have changed
@freemo To give you an idea of how populist he is:
He went on about how he'd shoot drug smugglers on the border.
He went on about how he'd blockade Mexico with the navy to "stop the flow of drugs".
He went on about abolishing unanimous juries to administer the death penalty.
He wants to expand use of the death penalty outside of murder.
Censorship of books in libraries.
Censorship of views in higher education.
He talks big about all that tough on crime stuff.
Lots of talk about the border and "finishing the wall".
Fair.Some exs
Banning Abortion
After the US Supreme Court to overturn the constitutional right to an abortion,DeSantis
banned the procedure after six weeks - before most women know they are pregnant.
Banning "Gay "
Don't say gay bill
Legislative & rhetoric assault on Disney for 1 comment
Banning history
Limiting history in school,
Banning books
on his religious /moral basis
sending asylum seekers from Texas to Martha’s Vineyard
Banning abortions after 6-weeks might have some merrit, but unless he also pushed to give free pregnancy tests and aide to those who need abortion then I'd say it was done improperly (thought could potentially support a post-8-week ban under those conditions)
The disney thing I'n need some more context on.
The other stuff is inexcusable no matter how you dice it.
I will check the link out shortly. Thanks!
Ty. it was just a quick search & 1 link but lots easily found.
I forgot his immigration laws changes
And an opinion, but lots of facts - 2 links below
This speaks to the actual law and i appreciate everyone's help & emphasis on actual facts and laws .
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/florida-don-t-say-gay-bill-desantis-1.6400087
@freemo @ech @PBruce The "don't say gay" bill is very similar to the infamous British Section 28.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcthree/article/cacc0b40-c3a4-473b-86cc-11863c0b3f30 You can read about it here.
Section 28 was enacted by the Conservative Party (the same people who came up with Brexit) and was repealed by Labour in 2003.
Here is the initial law that prompted the phrase ,so each may judge for themselves
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/florida-don-t-say-gay-bill-desantis-1.6400087
Understand . and appreciate the objectivity .
Canada and the US have had mutual issues with border control and applying local and international laws appropriately and we did come to an agreed process to meet all those goals .
Canada does not have the numbers the US has , but we have accepted 1000s of refugees,when claims were legitimate and deported when not .We have what is called a safe 3rd country agreement
@freemo @PBruce @olives Bush & Obama built hundreds of miles of border walls, with bipartisan support. 🤷
I think you're right that it's idiotic; it doesn't really address today's immigration problems IIUC.
I'd rather the money was spent on "smart walls" i.e. drones to patrol the border areas to make sure e.g. nobody is stranded/etc. (It's a dangerous trek!)
I am against the idea of border walls regardless of who builds thrm.
Yes better drones and other enforcement tools woukd make more sense to me. They woukd atleast be cost aware. But really we just need better enforcement on american soil but that goes hand in hand with providing good aide to those in need too and provide good pathways to citizenship.
This speaks to the " banning history" laws in the US
"At least 37 states have adopted new measures that limit how America’s undeniable history of racism – from chattel slavery to Jim Crow – can be discussed in public school classrooms.
Educators in certain states face laws that restrict classroom discussions about racism. Florida’s Stop Woke Act for example, limits what educators can say about racism in K-12 schools. "
@PBruce @freemo @olives I've read some of the laws from some states, and IANAL but it seems the things that are being banned specifically are e.g. teaching that white people are inherently racist by virtue of being white, or that some races have inherent moral superiority over others. etc.
There were rumors of struggle sessions where, for example, white 6yos were being humiliated in class for being evil white people. I am assuming such events are super rare or never happened (i.e. they are lies), but there's this hysterical reaction to the rumors, and I think the laws we're seeing are directed at that sort of thing.
Then, lefter-leaning media describes those laws as banning teaching Jim Crow, which is, as far as I have seen, also a lie.
I'm wondering what these regulations are doing *in practice*, if anything.
Based on what he said that seems to be a leap. I mean, maybe he was wrong and certainly deserves to be corrected if so... but if his stance is simplely "not all white people are evil and that notion shouldnt be taught" especially when he thinks jim crowe laws should be taught and other black rights issues.... well i thi k its a leap to say on those groubds he seeks to rewrite history. Perhaps he is bias though, but then again, who isnt.
They blocked you yes... you can see their explanation as to why here: https://mastodon.social/@PBruce/110702692118764348
As I said, while you do have some bias (a preformed opinion) I felt their response was unnecessarily harsh if we take what you said at face value, even if i do disagree.
@freemo @olives Well I'll be the first to admit the right wing can go too far at times. Which is why I'm wondering if DeSantis has going too far in this respect.
Book bans, for example, is an adjacent issue. On one hand, for all I know pearl-clutching conservatives are in fact banning all books that give any kind of insight into what life is like as a person of color in America today. But moving a book that depicts child rape from the children's section to the adult section isn't a "ban", and it seems like every time I look into a specific ban, it's more like the latter, not the former.
For what it's worth, I checked my local library in conservative suburban Texas and it still carries Toni Morrison's The Bluest Eye.
@olives @freemo Was something I said misleading? What is "it" in your sentence "...it was someone's...." – are you talking about "The Bluest Eye"?
If so, please pardon me I did not mean to imply anything specific about that book, I can see how my post implies that.
I only mentioned it because it seems to be *the* canonical example of a book "banned" for mature content, so I thought it was interesting that the public library in ConservativeUtoptia-area Texas still carried it despite all the noise about alleged book bannings. I've never read it.
@freemo @PBruce @olives I would love to be "corrected": are any school districts banning teaching Jim Crow anywhere in the US? (Or how else is this playing out in problematic ways? I don't know.)
Thinking back to my education decades ago, I think overall it could have been a lot better: I didn't learn about the Tulsa massacre until just a few years ago, for example. The Mexican–American War I think should be presented critically – US actions/motives were far from pure, and I don't I think our curricula back then was great in that regard. (Is it today? I don't know.) Those are just some examples.
@freemo @olives
When he gets up in the morning he thinks who will I screw over today to amuse and distract my base , while throwing them a few ideological bones.
Who will I target with rhetoric to incite a visceral/emotional response to quell logic & distract .
Never does he think how can i help all those that elected me to serve. What can I do to benefit them . What needs fixing not f*king .