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Just a reminder, #Israel (along witht he hamas) both have a well recorded history of using children as human shields during military conflicts, targeting civilian populations recklessly, enacting punishment intentionally on civilians, and generally engaging in terrorism.
These arent speculation, they have been called out many many times by Amnesty International, the UN and many other international bodies...
If you want to be appaled at terrorism in Israel you cant do so objectively if you forgive either side.
@freemo useful post thank you. I am moving away from thinking in terms of "either side" because I have learned there are more than two. some of the groups are israeli civilians, israeli government payrolled terrorists, palestinian civilians, and the hamas terrorist group. I am not clear yet on what other groups there are in it. what a heartbreaking, infuriating situation.
@falcennial Very good way to think of it. Generally the civilians of both sides, while of course highly biased against the other, does not condone the atrocities carried out in their name. Sometimes they deny they happen, quite often, and thats not right. But regardless of if they dont believe it is happening, or if they dont want it to happen.. either way its hard to blame the citizens or treat either group as one monolithic thing.
Yea I have been thinking about that alot too... obviously we can only speculate, and speculation can lead into all levels of conspiracy theory, or can stick to more level headed speculation.. but either way it would be speculation.
The more level headed explanation is that since Israel doesnt usually care about mass-murdering civilians to kill a few terrorists they probably think they can put a stop to that by having israel citizens in palestine. thinking that might cause them to second guess any attack that would kill civilians since they might actually care about their own (when they clearly dont care about palestinians).
A more conspiracy theory speculation would be that other foreign powers are pulling the strings... I can think of a few motivations there... Israel might pull some CIA shit (or get our CIA to do it) so israel can justify finally taking **all** the land for themselves without public fallout. Or it could be a russian power (probably through Iran) pulling the strings so they can divert resources away from Ukraine and towards Israel.
@freemo @falcennial I've already seen the Netanyahu conspiracy "knew it was coming" claim.
Maybe they think they can win on their own turf with the experience of Afghanistan.
Two new styles of warfare of the 20th century were Blitzkrieg and modern Jihad. Nobody has ever combined the two. Yet.
More speculative, how about a conventional invasion of Israel from a different direction once they are fully committed in Gaza? Or maybe Iran shows up with something they've been working on for a while?
All possible... very hard to know for sure... I can think of a 100 different explanations and any of them might be legit honestly.
@freemo @falcennial https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12617253/seal-team-six-delta-force-israel-hostages.html Now this is the stupidest thing I've seen all day. Sending in the special forces to rescue hostages, sure. Reporting it to the media? Whoever did that ought to be impeached and/or prosecuted. They just painted a big target on those people.
@freemo @falcennial What I'm trying to figure out is the Hamas strategy here. This was an over the top provocation obviously intended to make Israel commit its entire military to an on the ground offensive in Gaza. Hostage taking too, you cannot rescue hostages with a bomber. Otherwise Israel might just level Gaza.
This feels like the moment in a movie where the bad guy, acting wildly overconfident for his known capabilities, reveals his secret weapon. What is their plan? Stalingrad style?