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Queer doesnt exist, its just a made up word with no meaning or utility.
Trans isnt a sexual orientation so it doesnt belong along side other orientations.
Therefore from now on I think im going to just refer to it as "LGB" which ill use for discussions about orientation. It might make sense to do "LGBP" to include pansexuals/poly people, as that too describes orientation.
Then maybe "TICN" for gender expression (Trans, Intersex, Crossdresser, and Nonbinary).
I think ill just start dropping these in conversations and use each distinctly different. The LGBTQ+ designation never really made much sense.
Then again maybe jsut "non-cis" and "non-straight" might just be more straight forward. But less likely to engage in useful conversation.
@freemo The whole point of the Q is to cover sexual orientations other than the main three (like the pansexuals and the literal tree huggers).
It has utility as an inclusive modifier.
@LouisIngenthron There are no orientations other than the ones I listed... LGB covers men, women, and both monogomously, and the P covers multiple partners of the same (since it covers both forms of P)... there is no other possible orientation.
@freemo Sure there are. There are people who are attracted to automobiles, and there are furries and there are folks who don't care about gender but only get off from domination fantasies. It's a wide weird world out there, and you can't fit everyone neatly into a box.
@LouisIngenthron Automobiles isnt a sex, neither is furry, therefore it isnt an orientation.
A sexual orientation is not "a think you are attracted to".. liking big boobs isnt a sexual orientation. In fact im hesitatant to even put P in there, as its borderline. Butit at least describes the scenario of needing a man and woman at the same time, so it is somewhat relevant.
Since only 2 sexes and exist and there is nothing between poly and and mono, then yea you can fit people into nice boxes as there is a fairly finite number of combinations.
@freemo You might want to google the term "pansexual" because it explicitly rejects that binary that you're trying to enforce.
What do you call people who are only attracted to androgynous agender folks who aren't part of the gender binary?
Pansexual means someone is attracted to a person of any sex or any gender. It does not require a beleive in "automobiles are a sex" or attraction to automobiles.
While of course many pansexuals may believe in neosexes/genders it is not a defining quality of pansexuality. Pan sexuality is basically just bi-sexuality but with explicit inclusion of trans people and others who are more than just simply "male or female" in that they have other descriptors that are needed to fully describe their gender expression.
@freemo Right, I wasn't saying attraction to automobiles was included in pansexuality; just attraction to more than "two sexes".
Attraction to automobiles is called "mechanophilia".
@LouisIngenthron i wouldnt say pansexuality requires "more than two sexes", but it does strongly imply, at a minimum, that sexes are on a spectrum (which it is)... It tends to include neo=genders if you ask people who are pan, but the definition doesnt require it.
@LouisIngenthron Well for starters queer isnt an umbrella term.. if it were there wouldnt be 20 additional letters that follow (or the + as tends to be the case)... So im not sure we agree with even that much. Queer is distinctly not defined in any good way, not even as a general term.
@freemo The point is, there are enough variations that people can't be put neatly into categories. That's why, as a community, we decided to include them under the umbrella term "queer" to include them.