@DrALJONES

Some things are black and white... the people have the power, and they bare the responsibility as a result.

How much power do the people actually have, though, really?

@Hyolobrika

I mean unless you beleive some conspiracy theory nonsense about the elections being rigged, all of it.

@DrALJONES

But everyone is trapped in thinking that there are only two options and they have to vote for "the lesser of two evils" which means the two evils remain the dominant force which leads back to the first thing I said in an vicious cycle.

@Hyolobrika @DrALJONES @freemo In a "first past the post" system it is legitimately one or the other.

@wholemilk

No it isnt, in first pas tthe post you will get a **tendency** towards 2 choices getting the bulk of the votes. But such a system does **not** maintain the same two choices as dominante in each election.

In fact quite the opposite in FPTP systems minor parties or choices tend to go from <5% suppport to a majority choice in a single election cycle.

In the USA for example we have had a primary party be replaced with a third party in a signle election cycle, after which the old primary party never becomes primary again, 8 times in the history of the USA.

So we have plenty of examples that FPTP voting actually does allow for more than 2 parties, it just gives the illusion that it does.

@Hyolobrika @DrALJONES

@freemo @Hyolobrika @DrALJONES What are these 8 times in US history where a third party replaced the primary party?

@wholemilk

1796 - Switch from non- partisan to having two seperate parties take majority, the democratic-republic and federalist

Switches so far: 2

1828 - Another double switch with two new parties coming into replace the old two majorities, the National Republican, and the Democratic

Switches so far: 4

1836 - The Whig party replaces the National Republic party

Switches so far: 5

1856 - The Republican party replaces the whig party

Switches so far: 6

1912 - The BullMoose party replaces the Republican party as a majority

Switches so far: 7

1920 - The Republican party replaces the Bull Moose party again.

Total switches: 8

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@wholemilk

I was mistaken in one point... in one such case the majority party was able to come back, but only once.

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