There's is so much that Sen Mark Kelly would bring if he got the nod for VP on the #Harris ticket.
But Minnesota consistently will #VoteBlue and replacing Gov Tim Walz with another Dem is more likely to happen than giving the nod to Kelly.
It's a risky move to pull a Dem senator from Arizona, despite a Dem governor in place to appoint another Dem for two years.
Would love to see Mark Kelly but my bet is on Walz or Beshear. This article says it's between Walz and Shapiro but the PA gov is problematic in my opinion.
This article from Reuters published 45min ago as of this toot.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/kamala-harris-announce-vice-president-pick-before-battleground-states-tour-2024-08-05/
@WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
I'm hoping for Walz - but I'll vote for Harris even if she picked a pet rock for VP
The alternative is disastrous for the US and the World. It's so obvious - yet so many people have been conned/fooled, or are just happy voting GOP because they share the same ugly traits as their grifting leader.
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I cant in good conscious support a party that is pro-genocide. Never mind Harris's horrible history of women's and trans rights.
I plan to vote for the good guy (shocker I know)... chase oliver is my top pick for the moment. Green party's Stein might get my vote if i change my mind.
I just cant imagine anyone supporting the level of evil the democrats and republicans have demonstrated, not to mention incompetence.
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That's all I've got. But you do you.
@CoachMark @freemo @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews The same Stein that's in Putin's pocket?
Thats why I said Chase Oliver is my first choice.. Stein would be a compromise at best... basically anything is better then Harris vs Trump.
@freemo @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
The "compromise" would choose the middle ground between democracy or fascism.
Erm, what would that be? Who would that be? How would they even get there???
Right, which is what I am doing. Harris and Trump represent fascism, and while Chase Oliver isnt perfect he is a good compromise between freedom and fascism.
@Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Please explain to me two things.
First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
@Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
> First, how is voting for a fringe candidate who cannot win anything or accomplish anything any kind of compromise, let alone a good one?
Cause who wins or looses will in no way be effected by your vote. So your vote has no more value if you happened to pick the guy who won or the guy who lost, that outcome is the same regardless.
So since voting for the guy who happens to win accomplished absolutely nothing as well the question is how is voting for a third party candidate, presuming he looses, accomplishing something. Simple, your nudging the percentage points for third parties higher, and the percentage for primary parties lower. This in turn effects botht he calculated (projected) chance of a third party being a challenger int he future, and drives greater support to third parties (as they are harder to write off the higher their percentage points go).
So in short, while voting for a majority candidate absolutely does no good, even if it wins, voting third party **always** does good regardless of if they win.
> Second, explain to me exactly how Kamala Harris represents fascism.
In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party. and the fantacism that goes along with that. Combine that with her general support of police and an unwillingness to fix (or even recognize in any meaningful way) the deep rooted issue with police in this country, and combine that with the genocide she supports in palestine the fascism meter is cranked all the way to 11.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
"In much the same way the republicans do. With violent exclusionary opposition to even mild criticism of their party."
Also a flat out lie.
There is a cacophony of voices within the Democratic Party who argue incessantly over all manner of policy and governance, from Cori Bush to Joe Manchin.
If your goal is to harm the party, you're not going to get much of a welcome, nor should you expect otherwise.
@Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Thats the kind of bias I expect. I didnt really expect you to get past this point, its soo subjective to have a chance.
If thats really how you feel im not even going to touch that one. It comes across as just too far gone to be able to reason with in terms of bias.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
What a load of crap.
I said nothing of how I "feel".
Is Cori Bush not part of the Democratic caucus in the US House and Joe Manchin in the US Senate?
Facts certainly can be hard to argue against.
Past my bed time. I'll see if you come up with anything worth responding to in the morning.
@Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
As I said, I have no interest in debating this assertion of yours. Take a hint.
You did a great job at proving one thing though, the toxicity of the democratic party to criticism is very much alive and well I see.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
@joeinwynnewood @freemo@qoto.org @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews man that freemo guy is such a troll
@alexhammy
I don't know what he is - he's got over 33k followers and has been around a long while, both why I bothered to engage.
Whatever the reason, for the third time, not interested in debating it.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Must be tough to not be able to defend your bluster.
@Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
@joeinwynnewood @freemo @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
I want Kamala Harris to be the Republican candidate, so I can vote for the Democratic Socialist on the left with broad support and a realistic plan to decarbonize the economy in their first 100 days. I also want ranked-choice voting, a cure for baldness and pet pony. But I don't live in that world. So I'll vote for Harris and the Democratic coalition, because it's my best nudge that direction.
I applaud your realism.
May I ask what you've done/are doing to move things in a direction where a Democratic Socialist could be someone with broad support?
PS How close do you think Tim Walz is to that "ideal"?
@freemo @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
May I ask what you’ve done/are doing to move things in a direction where a Democratic Socialist could be someone with broad support?
You can ask. But after quite a few messages of you violating very clear boundaries I set it has soured me on wanting to have any conversation with you as it gives a clear indication it will be quite toxic and unrewarding for everyone involved.
If you’d like to apologize for your behavior, such as insults and personal attacks, and I feel that apology is sincere I’d be more than happy to make another attempt at engaging with you. But right now, you’ve convinced me there is no value in interacting with you.
@HalfHeartedFanatic @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Um, uh, I didn't ask you I asked @marcelias
Interesting that you felt it necessary to respond and that you think you're the one due an apology.
Why don't you just block me?
Seems like you need to continue to engage despite "not being interested in debating".
@HalfHeartedFanatic @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Interesting that you felt it necessary to respond and that you think you’re the one due an apology.
My mistake, I thought you were addressing me. Carry on then.
Why don’t you just block me?
Why would I do that?
Seems like you need to continue to engage despite “not being interested in debating”.
I never said you cant talk to me or engage in any capacity. I expressed a disinterest in talking about certain topics, no more, no less.
@marcelias @HalfHeartedFanatic @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
In fact, you’ve done more to QED my original point of how the left is extremely toxic to criticism that blocking you would be counter productive. You’re continued responses arer doing more to prove the very thing your arguing against than any response from me could have ever hoped to do…. why int he world would I block that, its gold!
@marcelias @HalfHeartedFanatic @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Joe, may I ask you, if you want to continue engaging this person, that you please edit your list of addresses so that the kamalaharrisforpresident group is not included? Thank you very much!
Yeah, I saw it was still in there and deleted from more recent entries as well as prior ones via edit, though I guess too late.
Thanks for the heads up.
Not as tough as you having a tantrum over someone not being willing to discuss something with you. Grow up.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
I've been wondering why you've got so many followers. It must be for the performance, mediocre as it is, because it certainly isn't for the substance.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
@joeinwynnewood LOL well it helps when you respect peoples boundaries and if someone says they dont want to engage, you dont.
Just having basic level of respect for peoples boundaries goes a long way when it comes to popularity. As you said, its certainly not my “performance” because I dont do much of that.
@gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies @CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews
Because it's respectful to completely mischaracterize what I've written and then refuse to explain or defend?
@joeinwynnewood yes, to express an opinion that you think is wrong and a mischaracterization, and refusing to debate it further is absolutely respectful. Even if i happen to be wrong about my opinion there is nothing disrespectful about refusing to engage with someone who has behaved toxicly and given every indication it would be a waste of my time.
@freemo @gfjacobs @Burnt_Veggies
My assertion? My statement of facts that you don't want to debate because there's no debating facts.
There's nothing toxic about calling out lies and bullshit. What's toxic is letting lies and bullshit stand unchallenged.
@CoachMark @WrenArcher @kamalaharrisforpresidentnews