@stux It seems to be you who doesnt get it, but your always welcome to disengage.

@freemo Okay!

Your in the country with endless gun deaths but im the one who doesn't get it 😉

Thats what i mean haha

@stux I am also in the country that when the Israli mob was trying to murder me I was allowed to arm myself and ensure I stayed alive... I am in the country that didnt insist I let someone kill me just because it cares more about replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths and calling that a win.

@stux The people who praise replacing one gun death with 10 knife deaths by making guns illegal are the same people who never stood up to people doing evil who were capable and willing to kill you.

When you are the one people are trying to kill your opinion on guns changes real quick. I certainly never bothered owning a gun before then. Now I open-carry with a license.

OK, ..but what if it makes me FEAL better to support gun bans?

@threalist

At least youd be honest with yourself.

@stux

@freemo @stux @threalist I get if you are in another nation where violence is high, but Europe, certain parts o east Asia, and the US are the safest nations to live. Comparing it to a place where violent attacks happen often is not really comparable. i looked up home invasion stats in the US. 100 per year. That's 2 for each state. Most gun violence is caused by tempers from a disagreement. In a nation where you were, yes having a gun would probably make you safer. Here in the US it just increases your chances of committing suicide or your kid finding it and shooting themselves.

@anubis2814 @stux @threalist

Just factually false. The reason you cant compare homicide rates to gun ratea across countries is due to confounding and isnt simply because some places are violent while others arent.

If you analyze the numbers according to proper scientific analysis where you loom at homicide rates before and after a change in gun laws kt cecomes very clear that banning guns in thr usa or anywhere else drastically increases violent crimes and homicide. I have posted thr stats on this countless times.

@freemo @stux @threalist K, I don't know or follow you, so the fact that you've posted things in the past is useless to me. Also the NRA has gotten the US government to completely ban any government research on this topic so there is a lot of muddy areas and police in the Us don't share their databases. We don't know because there is not proper scientific analysis because the data collection is purposely hamstrung.

@anubis2814 @stux @threalist

Since we are talking abojt all homicide and violence, there is more than ample data.

@freemo @stux @threalist K, Nations are very different with different circumstances. You use or Ireland and Jamaica as examples are not even remotely comparable to the US. Homicide rates stayed steady after the ban in Australia from 1996 to 2002, and then dropped drastically. Austalia is a way closer comparator to the US than Ireland during the troubles.

@anubis2814 @stux @threalist

Homicide went down along with the world wide trend in australia. But violent crimes went up, specifically sexual assault and robbery both skyrocketed .

You can argue many countries are different, doesnt change thr fact that thebpattern ia seen in botb developed and undeveloped nations.

Sounds traumatic, sorry you felt in danger, but I'm glad you took steps to responsibly protect yourself and your loved ones.

@nicholas

Thank you. It was the threat on my family that was the hardest.

@stux

@freemo @stux Ironically, a similar provision was made for the Jews when Haman obtained a decree allowing their extermination. Esther 8

"By these letters the king permitted the Jews in each and every city the right to assemble and defend themselves, to destroy, kill, and annihilate all the forces of any people or province hostile to them, including women and children, and to plunder their possessions. The single day appointed throughout all the provinces of King Xerxes was the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, the month of Adar."

The decree to allow their extermination could not be revoked. But the additional decree gave official permission for the Jews to arm and defend themselves.

@stux @freemo @stux @freemo
I think these countries need to change their gun laws!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

@realcaseyrollins @stux @freemo >guns are banned in Venezuela :nixon_smug:

@dcc @stux @realcaseyrollins

Its almost like "Cum hoc ergo propter hoc" is a logical fallacy or something... Who wulda thunk, not this scientist.

@shuro

Indeed they do. With virtually every country if you compare their violent crime and homicide rates both before and after a gun ban the rates sky rocket for many years after and never return to normal.

So yes there are more people dying as a result of their gun laws and that can be seen across most nations that have had gun bans and inferred to be the same effect in the netherlands.

Most of the data for this i have is for other countroes like england, ireland, jamaica, but sadly limited data on the netherlands on hand.

@stux

@freemo @stux @shuro Ireland was going through the troubles at the time, that's hardly a comparable state. Jamaica is also a developing nation. England would be interesting to know the data on if you can site it. Comparing a developing nation to a developed one in terms of gun violence is comparing apples to oranges.

@anubis2814 @shuro @stux

Again you do not xompare nations at all, that would be bad stats. You always compare a nation to itself both before and after a ban. In virtually all cases thenpattern is the same, huge increase in deaths following a ban that never fully recovers (but you do get partial rebound).

When im by the computer i can cind thr england data again. Its also been shown at the state levelnin thrbusa and again, deathtoll rises as well