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I barely had the time to do the deepdive on that last one. But I agree it was largely a circus.. i mean just some guy saying some shit like "everyone lies about israel" without really a hard look at facts to justify it. The vast nmajority of what was said was just wasted air and I couldnt really even comment on it meaningfully if i wanted to. Now the parts he did say something meaningful, mostly specific jabs at palestine I can address, but they were far and few between for how much hot air was spewed.
@freemo @Murray_N I think both #DaveSmith and #DouglasMurray were wrong in different ways, but #DouglasMurray could have absolutely pinned #DaveSmith to the wall several times but didn't do it.
My problem with #DaveSmith's position is that it would allow #Hamas to flourish so long as they hide behind human shields. According to him, collateral damage is unacceptable (more or less, I wish #DouglasMurray made him clarify his position on collateral damage). /1
They should do exactly what every other nation does. Go in, but take extra risk in how you do it to ensure you keep the civilians reasonably safe as you do. That means you dont level an area with civilians with bombs, you go in with snipers or targeted amunition and make an attempt to reasonably limit civilian death, even if that puts your own military at a slightly higher risk. Because thats what good people do, they risk their lives for the innocent.
the issue around them leveling an area with civilians in it is certainly a legit concern. But to me the bigger issue and what is more telling is how they intentionally attack, punish, and torture the citizens where there is no military justification. In the 2 years I was there they had a huge region of palestine with power cut off intentionally as punishment. It was one of the huge issues brought up in international court when Israel was to be tried for war crimes and of course Israel refused to even show in court.
Youc an always make excuses as to why they killed too many civilians, and the details are nebulous. But when you have long-standing quality of life attacks directly and intentionally on the people, while the death toll might not be as infuriating, it far more reflects on their terrorist mentality than anything else.
> In the 2 years I was there they had a huge region of palestine with power cut off intentionally as punishment. It was one of the huge issues brought up in international court when Israel was to be tried for war crimes and of course Israel refused to even show in court.
Was that the siege of #Gaza? I remember that. Terrible stuff.
It was basically done int he 2 years leading up to the Oct 7th attack and was one fo the major motivating factors for the attack.
The other one was that Israel completely disregarded the Palestinian border and were settling Palestinian lands despite the agreement to the contrary and peace. Why would Palestine maintain peace when Israel just comes and takes up land and settles it whenever they feel like it even if they are being peaceful?
The power was in Gaza, the stealing of land designated for the palestinians was in the west bank. It also wasnt a one-time thing but a repeated pattern of Israel, to steal Palestinian land and settle it during peace time despite agreed upon borders.
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I wasn't aware of that, the only thing I remembered happening directly before #Oct7 was a journalist getting sniped near the border, which reignited conversations regarding #Israel and #Palestine amongst my IRL circles.
In your second paragraph are you referring to #Gaza or the #WestBank?