I can already see @ObranaTweetuje wasting money on useless jets that ain't gonna do shit in war..
We need a 5th generation fighter jets to maintain air supremacy in a conflict instead of useless swedish gripens preferably through EU finishing the development of new eurofighter
@kreyren Lol more fights more jets, no 6th generation! I really I don't have the answer for solving all the oppression... I do know making war machines and the money with it (and more things with making huge armoured machines) seems like all one big nightmare and terrible gamble.
Almost like lighting up the money (our blood sweat and tears) with a can of gas and hoping the opposing side doesn't light up something even bigger in response.
@freeschool More jets are useless when RUF can just shoot them from X km away using air2air missile
Thus why we need fighter jets with mitigations for stealth so that they are painful to lock like F-35/22 is and a jet that is significantly more manuverable and faster in order for the EU to be able to collectively defend against Ruzzia
@freeschool Note that one F-35 can "most likely" take down any jet that it encounters in a dog fight atm.. So that would be one jet to take down the whole wing
@kreyren Hmm does make better sense... still I'm in subset of seeing it destroying things, but can understand than while somewhat endlessly taking things down still seems stalemate or defensive at the expensive of expensive everything resources just to make and maintain those things...
But I'm sure and willing somewhat to see / understand how tech-ing up or defensive-offensive weapons eventually gets use to peace...
Right now still perhaps very much less of these tech things I'm in favour of else peace becomes a catch-22 (impossible to pursue because everyone is busy making and spending on weapons and than tempted to use them instead of using brains to find a way out of this somewhat vicious cycle)... Again that's if top echelon of people want peace and to equalise their own power eventually... which I see nobody would be to quick to do and I don't have any solutions myself... not yet!
@kreyren
Renting sometimes saves the hassle of owning. Owning is not great either. You still have to pay groundrent or whatever (like a house to state for the same ground!). So owning isn't everything.
In this case renting or owning can be both unwanted. That's the problem of these logics you start playing off one against the other, mix a bit weaponry and voila, you lost track, thinking about how much thigns buy you... this economy priced against another less economy, losing the whole point and focus initially into guess what... money again. Sort of worse than having less...
Something that loses value, devalues for all, is methmatical debt / negatives and virtual layers of economics - a real wasteful heatloss of a material that State swallows up gladly fom sweat pourned in and % it takes.
Tangential but mention rent or paying for things will involve all this mentality and traps (a war to start with that will find peace sooner once THAT is sorted sooner!). I understand though people don't want peace when they rule with money by default despite any typical arguments for it or what is siphons and extracts from humanity infinitely.
@freeschool For CZ it's currently more expensive to pay rent for sweden aircraft and maintain them than developing their own from the scratch and manufacturing it last time i checked