So yesterday Russia shot down a commercial airliner and intentionally destroyed a major undersea power connection between Finland and Estonia, in case you're wondering if Russian military aggression is limited to Ukraine.
so, the US invaded Iraq arguing a pack of lies as justification, killing millions of innocent Iraqis because the US regime didn't like their ruler. and their oil - wanted the oil.
the US is a predator nation, unprecedented in world history.
@StopTheSweepsPDX @petergleick
Euh... I totally opposed to US invasion of Irak, but your tooth is a total offtopic here.
Yeah, Irak invasion had not nearly enough justification, and Putin has given much more reasons for retaliation than Hussein did. But what are you arguing for? A NATO invasion of Russia?
About precedents: obviously, you are not a history major.
according to putin, if the Ukraine agreed not to seek NATO membership, he would not start a war.
what is the purpose of NATO anymore, anyway? the risk of invasion and war with the Soviet Union?
MAYBE if diplomatic solutions were considered, instead of blowing nations all to hell just to create economic opportunities for the invading nations? like NATO did to Yugoslavia?
@StopTheSweepsPDX @jgg @petergleick
As I recall, it wasn't NATO membership, but agreement with EU.
Later joining NATO became impossible as NATO doesn't take members with disputed areas such as Crimea.
And Russia has publicly talked with several mouths about restoring lands belonging to Soviet Union, or even to Russian Empire. Flying planes over those areas is rather standard. Understandable if no land wants to face that alone.
@iju @StopTheSweepsPDX @petergleick
@iju @StopTheSweepsPDX @petergleick
Thank you, you are totally right, I remember now.
I let him mislead me.
So even his premise is wrong.
I'm out of words.
@jgg
It was well-written diversion, as hinged on something that's not in active memory, conversations with Ukraine's NATO membership have been active recently, and then they framed it as "this is an undisputed fact".
I find messages like the above spreading freely to be a one more sign that all the technological "disruptions" we've had the past 25 years are far outpacing appliable societal customs and contracts. Which is one of the more alarming signs of societal instability.