@realcaseyrollins
Ignorance is understandable and easily forgivable for those who want to learn. It's the people who pair it with arrogance that need a good bitchslapping.
Unfortunately, I think social media brings out the arrogant side of a lot of ignorant people.
@SirBemrose Ignorance is not understandable (or forgivable) at all. That's literally why they made a meme of it.
Sex (and sex-positive) education is a must in every school.
@realcaseyrollins Because, as the meme proved, people don't know the literal first thing about it. And they should, if only to avoid looking like idiots on the Internet.
And they should, if only to avoid looking like idiots on the Internet.
What are the other reasons? Or I suppose a better question would be, why should schools teach it rather than others?
@realcaseyrollins Well, sex is a fact of life, and facts should be taught objectively, which is what schools are all about.
If you want to teach morals, that's another thing entirely, but confusing the two leads to learning neither, as the meme showed.
@realcaseyrollins
> Why should it be taught in schools though? Neither of us are pretending that schools should be teaching every single fact of life, I am sure.
Of course not. Only the ones that are needed for being a fully functioning human living in an open society. I assume we both agree that sex is one of those.
> Interesting, since I believe that you also said that sex education should be “sex positive”
Yes, positive in the sense of Positivism, but also as in something to be celebrated and not shameful. (This derives from it being a fact of life. Should anyone be ashamed of being bound by the laws of gravity?)
Of course not. Only the ones that are needed for being a fully functioning human living in an open society. I assume we both agree that sex is one of those.
While sex is one of those, I also think that it’s nearly impossible to teach sex without including morality into it. Sex and morality are intrinsically linked. Even here, you’re saying that you would like school’s curriculums to affirm your moral position on sex:
Yes, positive in the sense of Positivism, but also as in something to be celebrated and not shameful.
That is 100% moral. But this is kind of the problem, right, like nobody really teaches children about sex without making moral statements about it.
It is my position that issues of morality, of which sex is one, parents should teach the children, or provide them with resources to learn on their own, rather than having a top down approach from a school, especially a publicly funded one, as the job of schools should not be to give children certain morals.
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I would argue that school is **not** about teaching facts at all, it is about
1) teaching kids how to learn
2) Getting kids to **understand** the world.
Their ability to recognize facts will come as an extension of those two, but is not directly what should be taught.
That said, yes school should teach **every** understanding of life... We have philosophy class to teach about morals, sex ed to teach us about reproductive systems and how they work, history, the arts... I mean what is it schools **shouldnt** teach a kid to understand, I frankly cant think of anything. Hell we even have classes that teach about religion.
Also, lets face it the overwhelming majority of people are completely incapable of critical thinking and understanding. Parents do a pretty horrible job at teaching kids critical thinking skills, most just want to indoctrinate and brain wash their kids to believe what they believe, free thinking is the last thing most parents want from their kids. Hell some parents might even punish you for disagreeing with them if their strict.
I would argue that school is not about teaching facts at all, it is about
teaching kids how to learn
Getting kids to understand the world.
That’s an equally compelling position, I think.
That said, yes school should teach every understanding of life… We have philosophy class to teach about morals, sex ed to teach us about reproductive systems and how they work, history, the arts…
I don’t agree, because there are too many “understandings of life”. Everyone doesn’t need to know everything.
what is it schools shouldnt teach a kid to understand, I frankly cant think of anything. Hell we even have classes that teach about religion.
We shouldn’t have any of those. I think putting the education about morality and religion into the hands of government-funded institutions is a rather dangerous decision.
Also, lets face it the overwhelming majority of people are completely incapable of critical thinking and understanding.
Well, I wouldn’t quite say that. Most people aren’t that dumb. If you see people say stupid stuff they usually just aren’t thinking or were bullied into saying a certain thing because they’d get cancelled otherwise.
Parents do a pretty horrible job at teaching kids critical thinking skills, most just want to indoctrinate and brain wash their kids to believe what they believe, free thinking is the last thing most parents want from their kids. Hell some parents might even punish you for disagreeing with them if their strict.
That is the parents’ fault. I will never be one to say “parents do a bad job so the government should parent the kids instead”.
> I don’t agree, because there are too many “understandings of life”. Everyone doesn’t need to know everything.
Not every student needs to take every class on every subject. But that is vastly different than not offering it at school at all. Obviously not every topic needs to be covered, some might be so obscure as to not be needed. But they would be exluded only because other topics take priority, not because you want to deny someone the chance to learn it.
> We shouldn’t have any of those. I think putting the education about morality and religion into the hands of government-funded institutions is a rather dangerous decision.
Again you arent teaching them what morals to have. You are teaching them all the ways people have evaluated morality and teaching all the varied perspectives to them and giving them the tools to accurately judge morality on their own.
The only time governments teaching kids should be suspect is when they intentionally exclude teaching them about one facet of a topic. So long as the coverage is complete, and teaches how to learn and not what to think, then its good.
Also who said anything about government. Schools can be private schools too, they dont have to be public schools.
> That is the parents’ fault. I will never be one to say “parents do a bad job so the government should parent the kids instead”.
Huh how did we go from "teach them the ways to think critically" to parenting. No one is asking or expecting schools to parent, they should be teaching not parenting.
Obviously not every topic needs to be covered, some might be so obscure as to not be needed. But they would be exluded only because other topics take priority, not because you want to deny someone the chance to learn it.
Again you arent teaching them what morals to have. You are teaching them all the ways people have evaluated morality and teaching all the varied perspectives to them and giving them the tools to accurately judge morality on their own.
The only time governments teaching kids should be suspect is when they intentionally exclude teaching them about one facet of a topic. So long as the coverage is complete, and teaches how to learn and not what to think, then its good.
I am beginning to suspect that the reason we disagree is mostly just that I trust the government less haha
Also who said anything about government. Schools can be private schools too, they dont have to be public schools.
While this is true, at the end of the day, public institutions are the default for the majority of Americans when it comes to primary education.
Huh how did we go from “teach them the ways to think critically” to parenting. No one is asking or expecting schools to parent, they should be teaching not parenting.
Isn’t in generally accepted that parents’ primary duty in raising children is to teach them how to live and behave properly, either orally or by example?
Well, sex is a fact of life, and facts should be taught objectively, which is what schools are all about.
Why should it be taught in schools though? Neither of us are pretending that schools should be teaching every single fact of life, I am sure.
If you want to teach morals, that’s another thing entirely
Interesting, since I believe that you also said that sex education should be “sex positive” 🤔