The Case for Taking Crimea | Foreign Affairs
The case for LIBERATING Crimea
@TheOldGuy Headline should be "The case for starting a global nuclear war"
@obi I really don't think he is that stupid. But if he wants Russia reduced to radioactive slag then he can do that. Every other nation except China will be aiming at Russia.
@TheOldGuy no offense, but that may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. No one wins in a 2+ party nuclear war. We all die (for the most part)
@obi And that's why I said Putin is not that stupid. He likes to use nuclear threats. But not likely to ever follow through because he knows Russia would be turned to radioactive slag
@TheOldGuy so your opinion is push him to the edge, because he won't start a nuclear war? You can only be pushed so far.
Doesn't matter. Ukraine cannot take Crimea, they won't even hold in their own occupied territory. The only way for them to take Crimea is with direct assistance from the US and troops. That would take an act of congress. Won't happen, Americans aren't sold. The only chance of it getting thru Congress is getting America citizen support, the only chance of getting Americans support is a massive escalation like a tactical nuke, the only way to get Putin to use a tactical nuke is to keep pushing him more and more and more, wanting more, taking more like Crimea. Even the US won't push him that far. Crimea is off the table and a pipe dream.
@obi It is merely taking back what isn't his. You act like Crimea belongs to Russia. It doesn't. It is merely another occupied Oblast of Ukraine. I expect this summer there will be an attack with both UAVs and UMVs that will drop Putin's bridge in about a dozen places. Then the troops that are training for it will attack.
@TheOldGuy is anything anyone's? Doesn't really matter, its who has the power to hold it. Russia annexed it in 2014 and they will not give it up, too strategic. Ukraine coupe'd soon after, and they have been holding. They have no power to take Crimea, the only reason they havent surrendederd is because we have prolonged it with weapons and equipment. Once Russia deploys there 2nd wave in a few months of 275,000, the war is over. Ukraine is deep into its reserve troops, Russia won't even need to go to the lengths Ukraine has for more troops.
I have no skin in this game, just making an emotion free observation, that to me seems obvious.
@obi Russia already sent their SECOND wave. They were untrained and poorly armed and incidentally, slaughtered.
@TheOldGuy regardless of who I want to win (which is no one, I don't root for or in war) I can at least not be propagandized and actually think things like that. Nothing more I can really say, except I expect you will have rationalizations in the coming year as Ukraine ultimately surrenders, and concedes to the same set of rules that would have taken place before the war began - they cannot join NATO, and stop the bombing in the Donbas, as well as Donbas self-governance. Whatever you "feel" is happening, and what ever you want to happen, that will be the result.Like it or not. No buts will bring back the lives being lost.
