So many #Israeli's are now whinging that their contestant not winning #Eurovision is antisemitic and the loss purely is due to prejudice.
No. Don't go there. That's weak.
The world blames your govt for the genocide the IDF is committing. Not you.
Being pro-Palestinian or anti-war or even anti-genocide DOES NOT equate to being antisemitic.
We don't blame Israeli's personally. We know you are not doing it, unless you are IDF yourself.
We stand with you against your government. Vote them out.
@ami I don't like the complete separation of population and government which is often depicted.
It oversimplifies the relationship between government and population.
There is not many states in which government does something and everyone else hates on the government and is rebelling against it.
If that was the case the government would have fell already.
@ami I don't know about blaming, but I would consider an American citizen a bit more responsible for an action taken by the American government than an Argentinian citizen.
This does not mean that people are directly responsible for actions taken by the government, nor that they all support it.
@rastinza
I just can't justify abusing or vilifying people for the actions of their government.
That's why we took nazis to trial instead of Germany.
I'd rather err on the side of holding them to account for their own practices rather than their govt.
I am all for prosecuting the IDF and likud party for war crimes.
It's also non productive to blame the public and it plays into the victim complex their govt shoves down their throats.
They expect to be blamed and govt tells them they are.
@ami I agree: I do not believe you should consider a person a criminal because some crimes were done by their state.
@rastinza
If an angry population could change their government with ease Russia, Iran and countless other countries would have different governments, maybe even the US given how volatile it is.
Look at how many coups and military takeovers completely fail.. and they are organised, armed and dangerous. And still fail.
It's just not that easy. I can't see the likud party surviving another vote. There will be a call for an election after this war fails and they will be out.
@ami It is true, if it was easy to change government with a small crowd, it would change in many places. You'd have to see which alternatives are put up.
I see this a lot: saying that most Russian and Israelian population is against the government. I guess this derives from the NATO propaganda used in the war against Russia. Getting the Russian population to topple their government is one of the ways in which the western block is attempting to win the war.
It is possible that the government of these countries topples, but I'd imagine it may be due to economical repercussions of the war. In the case of Russia I did not see many people strongly against the war in and of itself. Regarding the war by Israel, I did meet a few Israelians who are against the methods used by the government, but I'm not sure there is a large chunk of the population who is strongly against the government.
I may be wrong however: I have never been neither in Israel nor in Russia.
@rastinza
I don't know if most of any population is against the govt.
Except Syria, their govt is trying to kill them.
With Russia a lot of the elderly who lived before Putin and survived by burning furniture and had their neighbors and friends die due to exposure in their beds might still vote for Putin and yet hate him. That will change over time.
I can see likud failing due to multiple factors and a lack of intl. support, maybe even foreign influence.
@ami Thanks for the article, quite interesting.
By what I read, protests are not against the war.
Would this mean that if the government fell the war would end?
@rastinza
I heard an interview, I think it was DW where someone theorized that naziyahu is trying to cement a positive sentiment and achieve something before the election as otherwise he will lose.
I suspect they were right and he will claim success and victory no matter what.
I heard them justify attacking Rafah with conflicting statements.
They are lies. It's a tactically poor decision to hide where you know where the IDF will attack.
They are probably in a bunker under a field somewhere.
@rastinza
On one hand we do sanction governments with the goal that the ramifications of the sanctions hopefully result in a disgruntled public who vote them out.
On the other hand.. voting often doesn't change much. The Israeli population did vote for naziyahu in, but they didn't vote for the war.
Much of the population has been turning on him.
Plenty are against it, plenty are for it.
Just like we can't blame the US population for sending weapons to Israel either.