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I forgot about the Red Dawn movie (and anti-communism movie from the 80's).. Watching it again today for the first time in well over a decade... I have to say i was at least a bit inspired by mastodon communists posts lol.
@freemo watched this film a looooong time ago. Was... flustrated. This motion picture seemed to be full of irrational anger and Gore towards a county of my own.
Didn't expect that western people were so afraid about "red wave" to come.
@sptnkmmnt Its just the result of the time. Communism has done a lot of harm and as an idology is non-tolerant (communism doesnt allow capitalists to exist within it but capitalism allows communism to exist in it).. Its a shame this got directed at countries rather than the ideals. but I guess its a representation of the times where these countries were communist. thankfully they have moved past those harmful ideologies.
@freemo hm...
I live in Russia. Mostly people here are not pleased to come out of socialism and became a capitalist society. At all.
We have learned in school about MacCarty and his repression policy in USA, about repressions against communists in Germany in 30th, so we grew up in opinion that capitalism is the evil ideolody, that makes people suffer.
And then the USSR was broken, and we had a chance to see capitalists society from inside.
It is more harmfull for many simple russian citizens than socialism was.
Hor countries that were not included in socialists community, red ones may bring suffering and chaos, yes. But here, in Russia we had more important things than we have now.
Of course, not every single person here have such thoughts, but this position is strong here. And grows while time flows by.
@sptnkmmnt I have no issue with socialism to a certain extent, its only communism that is the issue. ultimately it depends on how you are defining these terms.. People usually use welfare states as an example of socialism, I wouldnt call that socialism.
@freemo em... As it is in Marx theory - there were no communist state, it is impossible at all. When mankind will reach communism there must be no states at all, as I remember.
USSR (Union of Socialist Soviet Republics) was a socialistic state. Socialism by Marx is a first part of the way to communism, when a private property on major resources, plants and banks is over and all this stuff comes into worker's hands and workers do rule and own all this by delegating deputates to common representative soviet (some form of collective government).
So I don't understand ur point of view.
Probably words "socialism" and "communism" have some different meanings for you.
I will gratefully listen them if you have some time to explain further.
@sptnkmmnt Yes I'm aware of the original description provided by marx, but thank you for trying to explain that.
The words dont have any particular definition for me personally. I was voicing the fact that modern day people do, however, use those terms to mean different things (depending on who you ask). I usually use whatever definition is appropriate for the context of the conversation, usually adopting it to the person I'm speaking to so communication can proceed effectively. Definitions dont really matter to me beyond the ability to communicate.