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Next time you think the US wage and employment system is unfair and doesnt pay a living wage just remember this... you can spend a year in your moms bawsement learning programming and reading books and then go get an entry level job for 40k - 50k, and by the end of 4 years (presuming you continue to refine your skills) will easily be able to rake in 100K a year.... all with no diploma or formal education, just your own hard work.
You can't even get that in most of europe... america is a pretty damn good place to move up if you bother to invest in your own skills.
@freemo but to be a coder, it’s not sufficient to want to make money. You need to like coding too
@louisrcouture if you like it then you will probably do better at it. But if there is one thing that is obvious its that 90%+ coders dont like it beyond finding their job easy for the amount of pay... in fact the vast majority of people dont like their job to the extent they would do it if they werent paid.
In the netherlands a lot of people work at supermarkets stocking shelfs or similar work. None of them like their job besides perhaps enjoying their co-workers and/or boss.
@freemo
My thought is more like... is it important to *love* your temp job? If it's just a few years, and it's generally not your livelihood but just something extra to your student/retirement life, then apparently people don't mind.
If you're going to do a long term job, basically your career, then it's important you at least like it. So if you learn to be a coder and you don't like it.. well, not a good career path then?
I'm not sure calling it a temp job when it lasts for years is doing the conversation much justice. Most people will switch jobs every so many years through their life. Its rare a person sticks with one company for a life time. Do we call them all temp jobs just because they dont last until you die?
@freemo
Well, yeah, especially as with supermarkets you don't really earn that much for a normal living wage. Never intended to be. If you're too expensive they'll just hire a fresh student barely 16 years old.
Sure, but we arent talking about the wage, we are talking about the notion that you need to love your job.. im arguing most people dont, supermarkets or otherwise.
Also to be fair I've never seen lower wages than I did when I tried to work int he netherlands. They would offer me about 1/6th the wage I would get in america for my job.
@trinsec
and did the students love to stack shelves though?
@louisrcouture