Weather pattern in the Western US has definitely shifted towards winter. A little late for it, but snow making it's way down to Flagstaff Arizona for tomorrow morning.
Will continue to see that pattern through at least early next week - and perhaps longer than that.
@chattwjonathan Oh, do you get snow that far south? I thought basically the southern half of USA wouldn't get snow.
@trinsec Flagstaff is at about 7000 ft / 2100m elevation - so in the winter months, more than half of it's precipitation falls as snow. The mountains also help wring out more precipitation than the surrounding deserts.
@chattwjonathan Huh neat. And there I am, with my sea level country. ;) We get plenty of rain though.
@chattwjonathan It's kinda ridiculous when you realize that northern USA (not counting Alaska) is basically the same level as the southern half of Europe.
But yeah, we've got overall a very mild sea climate. A little bit more east (into Germany) and you've got more chances on snow already as it changes into a more land climate.
@trinsec Sea level and close proximity to the (relatively) warm ocean both strongly work against snow. Seattle Washington may not be as far north as Netherlands but is north by American standards - and because of the water, it similarly averages very little snow and decent amounts of rain.