@valleyforge I've been given two boxes of steel case, wolf and winchester (box is brown). I've read reviews, they seem ok but would you or have you used steel?

@su Some guns don't like steel case. Most will run it just fine

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I haven't tried it but I hear it's fine. Everyone has an opinion.

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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge I hear it may wear out your parts faster and cause more fouling but I only have 100 rounds to go thru between 2 pistols, I don't imagine anything catastrophic will happen, I'm just happy to have some at all

@su

I've heard some people have had issues switching between steel and brass due to the coatings manufacturers use to avoid rust, but if you find any such problems, a good cleaning should do the trick. No idea if it's true or not. I think that was with AR and possibly AK but it's been a while since I heard it.

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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge with semi automatics, something about the steel not expanding, making the fouling worse and also steel wearing out the "extractor". gosh I don't know, I'm so new at this and yes, there are a million opinions out there. We'll find out today if I blow my face off or lose a finger! Especially with this russian Wolf ammo. Oh well you only live once!

@su

For two boxes, I wouldn't worry about it unless things aren't working right when you try it.

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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge that's what I was thinking, too. I'll know for sure because so far, mine has eaten 4-5 different kinds and hasn't had any ftf or fte or whatever so far and I try not to limp wrist and do it right

@su

Yep. Unless you're doing something old or particularly sketchy, I wouldn't worry about it. As far as my 9mm pistols, I wouldn't take a lot of chances with my 1916 Luger but my Walther P38? FN Hi Power? CZ-75? Those would all be fine.

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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge mine is walther, a ccp m2. I've tried the PPQ q5 match, but I'm afraid of it just yet.
Wow you have a p38, is it from the war?
I like the way they look and also ppk. I initially looked at luger but I think I couldn't find any. Seems like walther folks like cz a lot and say they're really nice

@su

Nothing quite so fancy, mine's a civilian-model from the 1960s (basically a P1 since it has the lighter frame but still marked P38). Honestly it's probably my least favourite gun I own. But it is reliable from the few rounds I've put through it.

Lugers are expensive and mostly out of production save for some very niche boutique reproductions like Lugerman's .45 model. The asshat Wehraboo collectors have driven up prices beyond reasonable levels for what is a fun and interesting but not very reliable pistol. Mine needs repairs, again. Breech block, then extractor, and now there's an issue with blowing primers. And the trigger has never been right. It's accurate as hell though.

Just take the opportunity when someone like me offers to let you try it at the range and don't waste your money on one.

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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge sounds like I made the right choice. I initially chose mine because it's easier to rack but I've found the trick where I can rack anything, even though I have trouble with pickle jars. I had no trouble racking a ppq.
I like the external safety and long trigger pull, I feel like I'm not going to accidentally shoot myself. Since I don't understand how a trigger safety is supposed to work. I have a lot to learn.
What's your favourite one?

@su

Of my pistols? My 1911A1. Followed closely by my CZ-75 SP-01 and my FN Hi Power. Which I like better depends on the day, I love them both.

If you're ever after a fun cheap shoot though, Browning's 1911-22 is a ton of fun both single and dual handed. I could go play with just that and still have a great time at the range.

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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge I shot a 1911 .40 or .45, I don't know, something that starts with 4. The recoil made my whole hand tingle, wrist and all. I hit the gong/flapper thing, though! I really want a .22 just to mess around with, just don't know which one. When you say 1911-22, that's .22lr right?

@su @leyonhjelm @valleyforge It was probably a .45. 1911s are most often chambered in .45, but occasionally you’ll see them chambered in 9mm or .38 super. I believe Springfield Armory for a brief period made an officer-size 1911 chambered in .40 S&W. Colt makes a 1911 chambered in 10mm, but most people who have experience with 1911s believe that 10mm is too high-pressure for prolonged use on a 1911 platform.

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It rattled me good, that's for sure, but it was fun.

Ok here's the results of steel case. The group in the large middle area is with my ccp and winchester steel, I had one ftf but no fte. The bottom right was with ppq q5 match and russian ammo, I had lots of fte but I sure shot better with it. I don't know what happened with my ccp and for some reason, it hurt my trigger finger, but it's really cold out

@su

Curious whether it was lacquered. I've wondered about the truthiness of those claims about lacquer.

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I don't know but the russian ones looked shinier and the winchester looked dull, almost dirty and a little shrapnel fell out of the ccp/winchester. I think the russian ones worked better!

@su

You have to take into account that the Winchester is a "budget" style product and the Russian is probably their standard product.

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@leyonhjelm @ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge
It was definitely nicer, the Russian. I don't see any more fouling than normal, infact after blazer brass and aquila, they were much dirtier. I was expecting a mess but I'm really happy with the way wolf turned out. Well the box says wolf but the cartridge says "tula". I'd buy it again! Thanks for all the advice!

@su

That sounds about right, Tula is a major producer in Russia. I think Wolf might be one of their brands but I'm not sure. The way branding works for things coming out of foreign countries is odd sometimes


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@su

I looked it up and Wolf is an importer, and used to get most of their stuff from Tula. I'm not sure if it's still Russian made these days or not.

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@leyonhjelm @ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge
Here's the box, they had "tula" written on the rim of the bullets. Whatever it is, they performed way better than the winchester, for sure. My husband had no fte at all and it's a 15rd mag so I know it was me where the errors were coming from. Thank you, mr putin lol!

@su @leyonhjelm @ThreeOneThreeChris Berdan primers are evil. Although this is steel case so that doesn't matter