@su Some guns don't like steel case. Most will run it just fine
@leyonhjelm @valleyforge I hear it may wear out your parts faster and cause more fouling but I only have 100 rounds to go thru between 2 pistols, I don't imagine anything catastrophic will happen, I'm just happy to have some at all
I've heard some people have had issues switching between steel and brass due to the coatings manufacturers use to avoid rust, but if you find any such problems, a good cleaning should do the trick. No idea if it's true or not. I think that was with AR and possibly AK but it's been a while since I heard it.
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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge with semi automatics, something about the steel not expanding, making the fouling worse and also steel wearing out the "extractor". gosh I don't know, I'm so new at this and yes, there are a million opinions out there. We'll find out today if I blow my face off or lose a finger! Especially with this russian Wolf ammo. Oh well you only live once!
For two boxes, I wouldn't worry about it unless things aren't working right when you try it.
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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge that's what I was thinking, too. I'll know for sure because so far, mine has eaten 4-5 different kinds and hasn't had any ftf or fte or whatever so far and I try not to limp wrist and do it right
Yep. Unless you're doing something old or particularly sketchy, I wouldn't worry about it. As far as my 9mm pistols, I wouldn't take a lot of chances with my 1916 Luger but my Walther P38? FN Hi Power? CZ-75? Those would all be fine.
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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge mine is walther, a ccp m2. I've tried the PPQ q5 match, but I'm afraid of it just yet.
Wow you have a p38, is it from the war?
I like the way they look and also ppk. I initially looked at luger but I think I couldn't find any. Seems like walther folks like cz a lot and say they're really nice
Nothing quite so fancy, mine's a civilian-model from the 1960s (basically a P1 since it has the lighter frame but still marked P38). Honestly it's probably my least favourite gun I own. But it is reliable from the few rounds I've put through it.
Lugers are expensive and mostly out of production save for some very niche boutique reproductions like Lugerman's .45 model. The asshat Wehraboo collectors have driven up prices beyond reasonable levels for what is a fun and interesting but not very reliable pistol. Mine needs repairs, again. Breech block, then extractor, and now there's an issue with blowing primers. And the trigger has never been right. It's accurate as hell though.
Just take the opportunity when someone like me offers to let you try it at the range and don't waste your money on one.
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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge sounds like I made the right choice. I initially chose mine because it's easier to rack but I've found the trick where I can rack anything, even though I have trouble with pickle jars. I had no trouble racking a ppq.
I like the external safety and long trigger pull, I feel like I'm not going to accidentally shoot myself. Since I don't understand how a trigger safety is supposed to work. I have a lot to learn.
What's your favourite one?
Of my pistols? My 1911A1. Followed closely by my CZ-75 SP-01 and my FN Hi Power. Which I like better depends on the day, I love them both.
If you're ever after a fun cheap shoot though, Browning's 1911-22 is a ton of fun both single and dual handed. I could go play with just that and still have a great time at the range.
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@leyonhjelm @valleyforge I shot a 1911 .40 or .45, I don't know, something that starts with 4. The recoil made my whole hand tingle, wrist and all. I hit the gong/flapper thing, though! I really want a .22 just to mess around with, just don't know which one. When you say 1911-22, that's .22lr right?
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It rattled me good, that's for sure, but it was fun.
Ok here's the results of steel case. The group in the large middle area is with my ccp and winchester steel, I had one ftf but no fte. The bottom right was with ppq q5 match and russian ammo, I had lots of fte but I sure shot better with it. I don't know what happened with my ccp and for some reason, it hurt my trigger finger, but it's really cold out
Curious whether it was lacquered. I've wondered about the truthiness of those claims about lacquer.
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I don't know but the russian ones looked shinier and the winchester looked dull, almost dirty and a little shrapnel fell out of the ccp/winchester. I think the russian ones worked better!
You have to take into account that the Winchester is a "budget" style product and the Russian is probably their standard product.
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It was definitely nicer, the Russian. I don't see any more fouling than normal, infact after blazer brass and aquila, they were much dirtier. I was expecting a mess but I'm really happy with the way wolf turned out. Well the box says wolf but the cartridge says "tula". I'd buy it again! Thanks for all the advice!
That sounds about right, Tula is a major producer in Russia. I think Wolf might be one of their brands but I'm not sure. The way branding works for things coming out of foreign countries is odd sometimes
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I looked it up and Wolf is an importer, and used to get most of their stuff from Tula. I'm not sure if it's still Russian made these days or not.
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Here's the box, they had "tula" written on the rim of the bullets. Whatever it is, they performed way better than the winchester, for sure. My husband had no fte at all and it's a 15rd mag so I know it was me where the errors were coming from. Thank you, mr putin lol!
If you want to blame anyone, blame Barry Soetoro for it being harder (in some cases just outright illegal) to import Russian components. I've heard good things about their primers for reloading as wwell but I haven't tried them as I wasn't reloading yet when they were still being imported.
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I sure compliment the russians on the ammo experience, today. Strangely, I think it had less recoil but I could be imagining that.
Probably the fun is just starting, let's see what biden wants to do with our guns. I've read on his page a little and it doesn't sound good at all
There very well could be a difference in recoil. I notice that even with subtle changes to my handgun loads when I shoot my reloads.
It's also possible you were firing 115gr in this and 124gr or others in other brands. If you're new to this activity you might not have taken as much note of that.
Apologies if I underestimated your knowledge level, I seem to recall you implying you were relatively new to the sport.
And Biden is pure evil. The election was illegitimate no matter what happens now, so we'll see how it goes.
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Oh I'm very new, don't apologize. I'm just absorbing all of this. All the ammo I've shot has been 115 except for one magazine full of 124 which didn't feel that much different in my CCP, maybe even lighter, it has that delayed blowback gas piston where it delays the motion of the slide. Even with the big gun today, I could tell it felt less snappy and I'm less afraid of it, now. I actually like it better than mine. Practice makes perfect
One of the things I like about practicing with a variety of arms is you get a feel for what you do and don't like about each.
One thing I don't like about it is you don't get as intimately familiar with a single piece of equipment.
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I know that I don't like the trigger on mine, there's no "wall" but on the other one, you can really feel it, it's half the pull and really smooth. I should go to the range and see it they have a Browning 1911-22 to rent and try. Wow, he's a little pricey tho!
A nice break goes a long way. The 1911-22 is indeed not cheap, but we've enjoyed the ones we've got. The trigger was a major factor in why I hated the H&K VP9 both times I've tried one.
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I was going to ask you about that hk, that has the same gas system as mine and I heard talk of it. Ok, I'll scratch that off my list.
You might like it, I just didn't. I'd pull to where I felt it should go off, felt like I wasn't on target anymore, I'd try to let off the trigger, and it went off. Happened with both of the ones I've tried, I assumed maybe there was something wrong with the first one. Maybe it's just me, but that thing did not make me want to try a third.
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@leyonhjelm @ThreeOneThreeChris @valleyforge that sounds scary and definitely do not want any surprises like that. I don't blame you.
People are raving about canik but I don't know why I'd want a ppq knockoff made in turkey, not too sure about that
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I've never seen a beaver tail like that. Is steel frame really better than polymer, I've heard that they're more accurate since theyre heavier. It looks nice.
One gun I never considered is glock, I'm surprised something from austria looks so ugly
https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/meet-cz-75b-one-best-self-defense-guns-better-glock-or-sig-sauer-163212
Wow yeah, you can really see the difference with the weight module, those barely had any muzzle flip, looked like he was shooting .22
Keep in mind, I seldom have reason to carry all day, and when I am just walking the dogs in my safe-enough neighbourhood or in hot weather, I throw on an adorable little .380 that people make fun of me for.
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I've been reading a lot. Some people carry in their own house!
I ridiculed the pepto bismol coloured shotgun at the gunshop. The turkey will see you a mile away with that thing.
I think that people that make fun of .22 or .380 should stand infront of one and volunteer to be shot with one lol.
I think most people think of .380 and forget how far ammo has come in the past couple of decades. I wouldn't take it into direct combat but for emergency? Sure, I'll take it. If I go anywhere outside my neighbourhood outside summer, though, it's big bullets and large capacity and lots of prayers never to need it for anything but range fun and hunting.
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You betcha.
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