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@Moon @shibao @union yeah, but you can at least establish sieves that catch at least a portion of them before they're too far gone. Deb00nkers are doing god's work in that context, even if they're a little trigger-happy at times.

@Moon @shibao @union honestly, that is better than people unfamiliar with the meme believing in it and building a siege mentality around it until it's an entire conspiracy theory with a dedicated community.

@newt one of my favourite 4chan moments was when it turned out that the vast majority of shitposts (per old meaning, posts that literally only waste time and thread count) come from Australians, and the flood of memes that followed.

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@didek Na rynku zostały dwa interfejsy, standardowy którego używają wszyscy poza Teslą i ten Tesli. Aplikacji do ładowania nikt chyba nie wymaga, to jednak dość poważna branża.

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honestly it's starting to get annoying to see the "pleroma bad", "pleroma toxic" stuff

yeah, let's sum up a software and its entire very diverse userbase to a few people who act poorly, that sounds healthy and totally not reducing... it's not like we couldn't do the same by saying mastodon is pawoo after all, right?

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Funny how we went from worrying that the world is gonna run out of oil to wishing it ran out already.

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@newt you shouldn't have to try to be able to rationalise your choice, and living in a bubble of "the people I know use this, why bother thinking about it" is how you end up with silly status quos like this one in the first place.

@newt it's not my loss, it's the whole community's, and thankfully it's nowhere near as done and set in stone as you suggest. Hell, I doubt spaces could ever fully win due to aforementioned issues, the best they can do is the USA measurement system approach, settle on an inferior choice and remain in this awkward and contested state for who knows how long. I like how you can't find a single yet unburnt argument against tabs and fall back on "they suck" though lol

@newt @Paradox in case of tabs literally nobody would care because it wouldn't be a problem for anyone in the first place.

And I suspect that the number of people that do care is vastly underestimated, since when encountering space-indented projects they usually are only mildly inconvenienced and so just let out a sigh and go on with their lives. That's what I do, unless encountering an already existing thread on that topic and having some time to spare to join in.

@newt @Paradox that would be a perfectly fine approach if it really was an arbitrary choice and not a long-running problem that is continuously inconveniencing many people and spawning even more fights. (4 spaces? 2 spaces? 3 spaces? 5 spaces? 1 space?)

@newt @Paradox cheering that a worse option was chosen by a few organisations that dominate the ecosystem because it's the one you're used to is certainly a weird flex

Searching for capitalist conspiracies in things that organically ended up how they are is the exact same thing as searching for jewish tricks in the same circumstances, only approached from a different angle.

It's ridiculous how indistinguishable far-left is from far-right if you equate "teh jooz" with "teh capitalist overlords", and the way the two often overlap makes it even funnier.

@newt @Paradox and the worst part is that the two most sensible arguments for using spaces over tabs have silly simple solutions:

1. "But tabs can be rendered with different widths 😭" yeah, that's an upside not a downside. If you don't like how wide or thin tab-indentation looks in your editor, just tell it to render it with different width, problem solved. You can't do that for code where some dumbfuck used 2 spaces for indent and you'd like to see the indent levels more clearly. This also applies to the people using text-based environments with the Unix default rendering of 8-width tabs - yes, vim, emacs or whatever 80s software you prefer is smart enough to be able to do `s/\t/    /`* before writing to the tty or has a plugin available for this exact purpose.

2. "B-but tabs can be rendered differently by different browsers so a tab-indented code pasted into a random text element can display weirdly for people viewing it on IE6" - rendering code to a universal text representation is as much of a thing as rendering it on a screen, and again in this case amounts to running `s/\t/    /`* on it. Code hosting websites already do this. Oh, and did you know that the official standard way to render multiple spaces outside of `<pre>` elements is to concat them into a single one, making them even worse in that regard? And that CSS has a `tab-width` property? Wild stuff.

*yes, these are non-breaking spaces, or at least that's what I typed before clicking "post"

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