MS used to have 800-900 at this time 2 days back. How much can you in a monopoly keep avusing Hindus & BJP... Now it's 391... While it's cousin mstdn.social is now down to 238!! Dying a slow painful death! https://mastodon.host/@federationbot/103147974667062354
It was just a passing fad.
These idiots with mice brains cannot appreciate what qoto has to offer.
They deserve to be manipulated by algorithms.
1. QOTO is run by a computer scientist !! @freemo
2. It offers a 60k charachter limit, so you can rant as much as you want.
3.It is pro free speech and doesn't moderate without warnings.
4. It has other technical features as well, eg- search works differently.
@inditoot is amazing as well, It is pro-free speech and I believe the admin depends on contributions to keep the instance alive.
Both Qoto and inditoot have great relations and I think a no-ban policy as well.
Friendly diplomatic relations.
Would advise people to move out of Mastodon.social though. It is getting overloaded anyway.
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We will occasionally ban but its pretty rare we need to, its almost always very obvious cases like advertising bots.
We do not however ban **instances** meaning you can follow anyone from any instance, always.
Yeah I mean't they won't ban each other.
But wait, QOTO won't ban alt-right instances either? The sexist, racist, homophobic breeding grounds?
I did not know that!!
We wont ban but we will **silence**, but even that we do rarely.
Our rule is we only silence instance who dont respect our users right to disengage. That means if oine of our users says "go away" and the offending user does not leave them alone (or worse yet creates multiple accounts) then we will silence the instance.
A full out ban we wont do because silencing prevents anyone on our server from "hearing" anyone from the offending server unless and until the user follows someone. So silencing is more than enough to protect our users usually.
It's beginning to feel more and more like mini nations.
With foreign policy and what not.
Plus we have moderator elections as well.
All we need is some crypto coins....
@Full_marx @freemo @inditoot My own take. Nobody should ever be banned or even silenced. At the most advertising... User has a right to block... So user can use it if another User targets... Again I stand for absolute #FoE so won't ever complain on anything or anybody nor will I block. Now comes the dicey thing. For me a block means user A does not want any further interaction with User B... But user B should be able to see User A and even reply which others see not A. Anyways
@Full_marx @freemo @inditoot in a not so ideal situation guess quoto.org is very good and I am comfortable at this place too. Inditoot has also been great in not accepting recommendation from parent Mastodon resulting in the entire Instance being banned. That is really standing up to be counted & reflects poorly on Mastodon & the guy who made it !!
And when your blocked if the user creates a new account every time to circumvent the block?
To me in practice a no block policy doesnt work, there are always edge cases whbere you either have to block or the network becomes unusable.
I also dont want to see my users needing to block a new advertising account every 5 minutes manually. If a server has a no block policy after about a year the advertising trolls get wind of that and you will have a new advertising account signing up and spamming every few minutes. So the local and federated timeline becomes annoying really fast and the only way a user can combat the spam is to spend alot of time banning people constantly.
@freemo @Full_marx @inditoot Nobody should ever be allowed a second account. Period ! That should be a basic rule...
How would you enforce that, how do you know that the account on your instance is the only one?
@freemo That is for you to figure out. In my book if you are not kicked out you don't get to make a 2nd ID. You should be able to recognize say even if a user uninstalls the app & installs again! What means you do to achieve this should be acceptable to the user. @Full_marx @inditoot
Can't we regulate bot behaviour?
Like a posting rate (posts/hour).
Or considering the timeline is anyway Chrono, just outright charge them!! -- (I know I know this statement is blasphemy)
We could but we arent talking about a singular bot. This tend to manifest as thousands of bots each posting infrequently but collectively dominating the feed. Most spam bots sign up for an account and post rare and just create many accounts for different products
Never realised the kind of problems fediverse faces.
Ip's are scrambled too??
Not sure if they are all from the same source, doesnt look like it. I think its just lots of people spamming products and they all use the same bot software or something
@freemo @Full_marx @inditoot Like so already said advertisers being banned is fine. Cause that does not fall under FoE...
Well advertising is the vast majority of reasons we ban. It is exceedinly rare we ever need to ban a user really.
@freemo @Full_marx @inditoot if it's so rare might as well be let go. Anyway up to you to think. All I am saying is you have got yourself to a stage where you are banning very rarely. Might as well let go... To me it's like banning the death sentence... Maybe you don't like the analogy or not even relate to it... But my thoughts.
@freemo @Full_marx @inditoot and I also know how difficult a job it is to not ban.... Much more difficult than banning when you are doing it very rarely.. But from what I heard you are doing a great job 👍👍
I've seen the communities where they dont ban, most tend to very quickly degrade into unpleasant places, the good people have no interest in being there and the bad people dominate. It is only rare right now because we make rules that clearly state what the limits are, so those sort of people dont join us in the first place.
Why would I want to create a community that I wouldnt enjoy being a part of, right now almost every single person in our community has enriching interactions.
The only rule we need is treat people with respect, we dont moderate based on opinions, just how you treat others. PErsonally why would i want anything different than that?
@freemo @Full_marx @inditoot In such a case most would just block so basically that unwanted person ends up talking to a wall. As for me I really don't care what the other guy has to say since I never connect to somebody on a social media platform at a personal level so my only takeway is if there is one else it doesn't matter. I am able to detach myself to a certain extent !
You would think that is what happen, except it isnt. How it usually goes is like this
1) some guy joins and attacks everyone he talks to and the cruelest of ways they can think of
2) some people are hurt by this and leave the server (usually the people who came for the respectful environment they expected) some just block and stay... of course the more bad people you get the more people leave
3) other instances start to block you too because that user attacks people on other instances too
4) your server winds up with fewer users and no longer federating with any other instances except maybe a small handful.
5) people start leaving because all the people who used to get interactions from therir followers now are silent, no one can see or hear their posts, people start leaving your server specifically because they want to have a voice that people can hear
6) these effects snowball until after about a year your left with a server comprised almost entierly of trolls, no value for anyone, and even the mods dont want to be there anymore.
@freemo @Full_marx @inditoot it should be tackled at the earliest using some mechanism. The handle must be censured. Told what is acceptable what is not... Priority should be to ensure it never comes to point 2. Also in the rare case of point 2 an automated email can be dropped to the email id with an appropriate message. ..Always better to be Proactive than allow a situation to degenerate to the last level !
Well um...
Nuclear option would be to just include a switch to turn off all bots from showing app on your feed.
But that still doesn't solve the issue of the load on the server.
I'm thinking of an interaction based rating system.
If people are interacting with a bot, we let it stay.
But after one month of low interaction, we make the bot pay in order to continue.
@Full_marx @freemo @inditoot we usually get a different IP if we even reboot. But there would be ways.
There would be ways, all of which would be far worse for the users than the current way.. Right now the way it works is advertising botss arent welcome here locally, there are instances that are 100% bots though, and we do federate with them, that is the place for such a bot. That way a user can block all advertisements and bots with a single clock, something that is unmanagable if they are allowed locally.
@freemo @Full_marx @inditoot on advertisers being banned is not an issue at all. At the individual level is all I meant.
I'm not even sure if I understand the output of the bot. For example best-friends chat is listed as 1431 on the bot but if you go to their page the total number of users they have is 1,390. So what do these numbers mean? Is it just an indication of which servers are the spamiest.
By comparison Qoto has over 4,100 users, about 4 times larger than the top instance listed there and I'm pretty sure out active user count is higher too.,
But we tend to feel like a smaller instance because we all know each other :)
QOTO is the hottest cake in town, doc.
Also I need to recheck these stats.
I didn't take into account that these measurements don't filter out bot venom.
Haven't you put together a dashboard or something, that's constantly tracking activity across the fediverse?
@Full_marx how good is qoto?