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The GOP-led House is in disarray and focused on all the wrong things. They couldn’t even get a bill to fund the Pentagon through a procedural vote because five of their far-right members revolted. And now Speaker McCarthy has pulled the continuing resolution to fund the government, one that was hammered out by the different factions this weekend, from any consideration because it also doesn’t have the votes.
Instead of doing their job and passing a budget—one they already agreed to earlier this year—they are preceding with an impeachment inquiry into President Biden because the Orange Guy insists he shouldn’t be the only impeached candidate up on stage. The hearing will now happen just two days before the government shuts down because they don’t have a budget in place.
This is the GOP in a nutshell, folks. Paralysis, political theatrics, and chaos.
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I have no love for the GOP my friend, but you are criticizing them for doing the one thing the democrats arent doing and should.... Vote their conscious rather than just agreeing with the group.
We **want** politicians who are there to vote whats right, not what their party tells them to vote.
@freemo @georgetakei
Lots of politicians did what they thought was right in the 1930s. Turns out xenophobic, racist fascists have different opinions of what that is than most folks. Also, no American has seen « the left » since the 1970s, center-right democrats don’t count.
Can you list what policies of Biden or Obama's that either of them took action to execute in some way, that is a right-leaning policy stance?
As far as I know every single one of their policy stances and actions have been left side of the fence:
* increased restrictions on guns
* push towards universal single payer healthcare
* pro-abortion
* pro equal oppertunity
* pro free education/loan forgivness.
Literally cant think of a single thing they pushed for that is right.
And yes, obviously we want people to follow their conscious and be a good person... funny that huh, its almost like having a conscious is important, but so are other things.
@freemo @pyranose @georgetakei Both Biden and obama never did anything but increase military spending. Obama ramped up drone bombing. Biden has continued the border policies of the trump administration, including family separations. GITMO is still open. There is little or no movement on major polluters, curbing drug company monopolies, and a net increase in fossil fuel land leases.
In many cases, it is a lack of action from the Biden and Obama administrations, but that isn't a left position either. It is a pretty far right position. Don't pass a law for federally protected abortion rights...
And I don't think Obama adopting Mitt Romney's healthcare plan is a left wing plan either, and there is no push from Biden for a single payer system. In fact, I believe biden took that off the table in the Dem primaries back in 2020.
I see both Obama and Biden as right wingers. I'm far from the only one (https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020) :
> Both Biden and obama never did anything but increase military spending.
I never claimed Biden or OBama were effectual in the least. We are only talking about if they are left or right based on their votes nothing more.
> Obama ramped up drone bombing. Biden has continued the border policies of the trump administration, including family separations. GITMO is still open. There is little or no movement on major polluters, curbing drug company monopolies, and a net increase in fossil fuel land leases.
I mean all of these are fine points of the failures of the administration. But aside from touching on immigration policy none of that has to do with right-left leaning. A drone bombinb, however wrong, in and of itself is not a left or right choice.
The monopoly situation would be a valid right wing thing... but neither Obama nor Biden made any political decisions to support monopolies. Granted they didnt have the oppertunity to do much to oppose it... but lack of action or ineffective action is not an indication of a stance. so this is moot.
> In many cases, it is a lack of action from the Biden and Obama administrations, but that isn't a left position either. It is a pretty far right position.
The what now... lack of action, as a general concept, regardless of what the action is, is a right-wing thing? I hope im misunderstanding this part, cause that sounds absurd to say.
> And I don't think Obama adopting Mitt Romney's healthcare plan is a left wing plan either,
Are you saying Obama care, literally universal healthcare, is a right wing thing because he decided to incorperate some things from mitt? What? If he hadnt then the bill wouldnt pass as it needed GOP support and we wouldnt have universal healthcare.... I mean yea its shit, but saying that a compromise towards universal healthcare that is shitter than it could be but needed to get the vote is somehow the same as being right wing... i mean.. ok... I cant even with that.
> and there is no push from Biden for a single payer system.
push? As far as I know Biden has always supported single payer systems. Surehe hasnt been able to ever make it happen. But his voting and position has been clear.
> In fact, I believe biden took that off the table in the Dem primaries back in 2020.
You need to be specific what you mean here for me to judge it.. that MAY be damning against him in this context.
> I see both Obama and Biden as right wingers. I'm far from the only one (https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020) :
I agree you absolutely are not the only one. You and **many** people are wrong about it, sure.
@freemo @pyranose @georgetakei , my points are intended to indicate that both Biden and Obama were actively pursuing right wing goals. Or, by inaction, allowing right wing goals to become a fait accompli.
@freemo @pyranose @georgetakei , you may disagree that I provided more than one example, and that's OK, you have every right to be wrong.
@JonKramer @pyranose @georgetakei
> you may disagree that I provided more than one example, and that’s OK, you have every right to be wrong.
Thats not what I said. I said you provided about 5 examples... 4 had nothing to do with left-right dynamics, one did.
@JonKramer @pyranose
> my points are intended to indicate that both Biden and Obama were actively pursuing right wing goals.
Youve provided very few of those that were actually left-wing and line up with his actions... only 1 out of your list.
> Or, by inaction, allowing right wing goals to become a fait accompli.
In action is invalid. Saying someone who didnt act is right wing is completely proposturous and completely makes your stance hard to take seriously.
That said your one valid example of him have a stance on a single issue that is right-wing is great and all... but as I've said before we just had a discussion where about 20 things were listed about obama in the thread that were all clearly left-wing policy positions and votes and a total of I think 2 things (between you and one other person) who points out right-wing stance on issues... that would clearly result in a strong-left lean.
Even if i took every single thing you said that I found erroneous as examples as actual examples of right-wing activity and didnt debate it... we still wind up with like 4x more examples of him taking a left stance than a right stance and even then he is still very clearly, in aggregate, on the left.
@georgetakei