JonKramer, CIS-HET @JonKramer@qoto.org
BS in Physics. Will not tolerate hate. I am active here and on Post.
Joined Nov 2022
@LouisIngenthron @Pat I don't know what country you live in, but that is not the case in the USA. 49 out of 50 of our states are what is termed "at will" states. There is zero need for, and in many case, no contracts signed.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat I think you need to check into that a bit more. It can be to set up an initial contract, to modify an existing contract, to replace a contract that has ended... all sorts of different conditions.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , I mean, I can't be more firmly grounded in reality than I am when pointing out that there was no contract. It is undisputed fact.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , from the article I googled up, and I am sure common to almost every single story written about this event: "The dispute centers on an incident in which members of Teamsters Local 174 went on strike after negotiations broke down over a new collective bargaining agreement."
The workers didn't have a contract. This isn't even remotely in dispute.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , and in this case, with the teamsters, there was no contract. None. That was why they went of strike.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , not really, Uber is trying like hell to claim that their drivers are independent contractors, and part of that is very limited written records. It is pretty safe to assume that the contract with Uber says basically that if the ride is canceled, the driver must drop off the fare at the nearest safe point, and nothing more.
As for me, I will toss the rider out in a snow storm 50 miles from the nearest shelter if they cancel on me.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat It's two sides of the same contract. Labor doesn't have additional responsibilities that another individual doesn't. You meet the terms of the contract. If there is no contract, then there is no moral responsibility. If the uber driver has the right to terminate the contract in the middle of the ride, and does, then the passenger is out of the car. If you don't like that term in a contract, don't agree to it upfront if you are the passenger.
Simply put, if it isn't in writing, then it isn't the responsibility of either party.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town I didn't know there was a character limit. I do not feel like answering questions about every single book (all) ever printed. Your 'follow up questions; indicate to me either you don't understand the issue, or are looking to sealion me.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat , I am trying to think of other examples of quitting on the spot. I am not sure how familiar you are with Uber, but in the app, you can cancel a ride at any time. Some passengers do this during the ride in order to avoid paying.Does the driver have any responsibility to continue to drive the passenger?
If you are a trucker, and are hauling a load, and the company you are hauling for fires you in route. Do you still have to deliver your load at your expense??
@josephthomas This is why there is a 2nd amendment.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat you see, the striking workers did NOT turn off the frozen food truck. They returned it to the depot and left it in care of management, still running.
That isn't kicking a hole in the wall on the way out.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat if turning off the bulldozer causes some form of harm, yes. Leave it running. Turning it off would be direct harm against company equipment.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town you are asking for a PhD thesis. I assume you understand what you are asking for, and which to have me fail to provide the level of detail you want, due to forum limitations (ad well as my lack of inclination to write such) in order to show my argument is a failure. But, upfront, I will categorically state this forum can not be used to satisfy every nuance of this question, and I won't attempt to do so.
You are free to misapply the burden of proof fallacy, which is where such discussions tend to lead, or you can accept reality, and figure out fair questions to ask, which I may or may not bother to answer.
@LouisIngenthron @Pat affirmative steps to damage would be to douse it with gasoline and light it on fire. Use of the equipment as intended by the company, manufacturers, etc is not attempts to damage.
If you are fired, what is your responsibility to a company beyond returning equipment? You have to work for free for the company for even a single second? Strikes are a similar situation. As soon as a strike is on, and the company knows these are coming, you have no moral responsibility for company equipment. The SCOTUS has now said that an employee, on strike, has a legal responsibility. The company can and should have prepared for care of their own equipment. That isn't an employee's responsibility.
Your nuclear power plant example fails because the employees, and employers, both have legal and moral obligations that extend far past company equipment.
@The_Whore_of_Blahbylon , looks like a 1983 Dodge van.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town , you are requesting a level of formal language which doesn't fit the forum. I feel fairly certain you understand the basic issue. If not, this isn't the correct place to learn.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town , it does seem to be problematic, but every time I see another cop attacking someone without repercussions, or another congresscritter participating in insider trading... we have a graft problem. Maybe we don't want political Commissars like from the old soviet union, but we need SOMETHING.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town Also, my wording is an attempt to get people to understand the meaning of our 2nd amendment. To make people understand that you don't have to be a police officer or national guard member to have a right to arms.
@Hyolobrika@berserker.town sort of... the idea is to require libraries to have all books, and stop the state from being able to limit access to any book. Currently the law is limited, and can only not deny you the right to read, but can limit access.
BS in Physics. Will not tolerate hate. I am active here and on Post.
Joined Nov 2022
