I have a #Constitutional
right to carry a #firearm, but I don't have a right to point that #gun at anyone who is not threatening life or property.
Being near someone when you're not wearing a #mask is like pointing a gun at them, but instead of shooting lead it shoots spit -- spit full of viruses. And none of us know for sure whether our gun is loaded or not.
You wouldn't point a gun at someone even if you knew it was unloaded. So why spray viruses at someone, even if you think it's safe?
#Covid-19 has put a gun in each of our hands whether we want it or not. When we breathe it's like pulling the trigger.
If someone approaches me without a mask, I consider that a lethal threat and I will respond accordingly and use only as much force as necessary to defend against that threat.
First I will try to escape. If I can't do that I will tell them to stop and let them know that they are threatening my life. After that, they have a choice -- they can back off or they can stop breathing.
Holster your weapon, wear a mask.
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@Pat The problem with the logic here is two fold.
1) the difference chance of someone being harmed by not wearing a mask compared to with a mask is very low, and could even increase risk (for several reasons I covered in the past) we dont have good data to know.
2) Assuming barrier protection works you are capable of 100% protecting yourself without the need to compel others to wear a mask. There are several options of full face shields + masks that would completely protect you.
It seems amoral to compel another person to take dubious actions to protect you when you are fully capable of doing it yourself.
1) Wearing a mask while staying at a distance significantly decreases the risk of infecting someone else with the virus.
2) By that same twisted logic: No one should prevent me from pointing a gun at people because they are 100% capable of protecting themselves by wearing kevlar body armor and other shielding to stop the bullets.
Also, the highest rated filters N100/P100 are not 100% even when they are brand new and worn properly (assuming you can find one from a reliable source). And there is not enough supply for everyone.
Assume a population infection rate of 2% (actual rate, not positive test rate). That's like placing fifty .22 pistols on a table with one of them loaded. So you are saying it is okay to pick up one of the pistols at random and point it in random directions while pulling the trigger. Chances are it's not loaded. And if it is, chances are you won't hit anybody and if you do hit someone, there's a good chance that a .22 is not going to kill them. Therefore it's okay to pull that trigger, it okay to not wear a mask near other people. That's absurd.
Regarding amorality. It's not amoral to compel another person to abstain from negligent actions that have potentially lethal consequences.
1) The argument that says that some people wear masks incorrectly; that argument can also be used against the recommendation that people should wear N100 masks to protect themselves against the irresponsible maskless.
2)Even a full face mask is not 100%. The best melt-blown filters (N100/P100) are 99.97% effective when they are brand new and worn perfectly. A full face mask often comes in contact with hair which allows leakage. If you can come up with a solution that can stop the virus, you can certainly come with a solution that stops a .22 rimfire from pistol.
The point is, it should not be on me to wear protection to stop a lethal assault from someone else -- they should be prevented from firing those bullets (viruses) at me. And if they try to, then I have a right to use the minimal amount of force necessary to protect myself from that assault.
1) yes it can and thus why it may be advantageous not to wear masks at all. But the point is if you beleive this to be wrong and believe masks are helping you can wear a full ace mask and therefore be protected far better than requiring others to wear masks
2) pretty much same response as before, if masks are at all effective then wearing a full face mask is far more effective than requiring others to wear masks. So the point is your argument fails no matter what assumptions you start with.
(I just posted several studies on mask effectiveness)
My point of all of this isn't which is more effective. The point is that not wearing a mask is a lethal assault and should be treated as such. And yes I do wear a N100/P100 respirator when I'm around people in public and when someone approaches me without a mask I treat that as a lethal threat and yes I've gotten into a physical altercation with someone who tried to assault me in that manner.
And I've consulted law enforcement on the issue and their recommendation is just as I said:
1) Tell the person to stop.
2) If they continue to advance, flee the area and call 911.
3) If you can't escape, then treat it as a lethal threat and use no more force than necessary to defend yourself.
Also, you have just as much of a right to defend yourself against someone pointing a gun at you whether you are wearing kevlar body armor or not.
(I just posted several studies on mask effectiveness)
You will notice those studies dont actually address the concerns I pointed out. In the case where they evaluate the general population they study the effectiveness of social distancing and mask wearing and even disinfecting together, not individually. Social Distancing obviously works as would disinfecting so it is very possible the mask wearing is not effecting the situation at all or potentially making matters worse. So none of those studies are actually demonstrating effectiveness of mask wearing.
There is the study you posting of a single hair salon, but that sample size is far too small to even be considered so we wont even address that one.
My point of all of this isn’t which is more effective. The point is that not wearing a mask is a lethal assault and should be treated as such.
Yes I know that is your point, your wrong and I explained why, but I know it is your point.
And yes I do wear a N100/P100 respirator when I’m around people in public and when someone approaches me without a mask I treat that as a lethal threat and yes I’ve gotten into a physical altercation with someone who tried to assault me in that manner.
So your a dude who goes around punching people in the face for not doing what you ask of them, something which is questionable and might bring greater harm to them or not help at all, at the very least it is grossly unnecessary… not very mature. Thats like punching someone in the face for having children on the grounds that children increase the carbon footprint and thus hastens society to our death. You’d look like a lunatic, and rightfully so.
And I’ve consulted law enforcement on the issue and their recommendation is just as I said:
1) Tell the person to stop.
2) If they continue to advance, flee the area and call 911.
3) If you can’t escape, then treat it as a lethal threat and use no more force than necessary to defend yourself.
Yes of course you have every right to nicely ask someone to wear a mask and if they say “No thanks bro” you can run away and call 911 to which they will respond “Thats cool bro” and do nothing (and legally cant do anything).. and yes someone must give you the right to run away, they cant forcibly pin you down and stop you, and if they do sure, punch them, mask or no mask.
@Pat No that doesnt line up with the facts..
1) We do not know the effectiveness of masks in terms of if the way the average citizen uses them if it provides more of a benefit or detriment. As I covered in the past a large majority of people wearing masks engage in several behaviors that may very well put them at more risk than not wearing a mask at all. A prime example is pulling it down to the chin to take a sip of water, or adjusting it by grabbing with the thumb inside the mask. Both would cause the virus to coat the inside of the mask if it is on your chin or thumb. As such there is a very real possiblity mask wearing by the general public has increased the spread of the virus.
2) No that makes no sense either.. a full face mask protects you with no risk and to a much greater extent than requiring others to wear a mask (presuming face masks work and are used properly). abullet proof vest does not, if you get shot you still get injured and may even die, it just protects you in some cases. You can be shot in the head, or even if shot in the vest you can (and often will) have broken bones and bruises. This is not at all equivalent to someone wearing a full face mask and therefore in **less** danger than requiring others to wear masks.