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>"Who should get this bill?"

The oil industry should pay the bill for all of the oil wars. Those wars were fought on behalf of the oil industry, so they should pay the bill.

@taz @LouisIngenthron

Speaking of taxes, how about we send a tax bill to the oil industry for this:

@taz @LouisIngenthron

New rules, huh?

Here's a new rule... all you dead-enders who think putt-putt cars are so great, everyone who thinks electric cars are no good, you guys have to drive your putt-putt cars from now on and can never drive electric cars, while everyone else joins the 21st century.

@LouisIngenthron @taz

Facts are facts. Electric cars use less energy.

@LouisIngenthron @taz

It matters.

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@LouisIngenthron @taz

>"EVs are the future, maybe. But they aren't the nirvana you wish them to be."

>"Eventually, EVs will be significantly better.

But we're nowhere close to that yet."

I'm there already, for years now. I've been driving my electric for years now and it's just great:

- it's pennies/kWh instead of $4.00/gal
- Virtually no maintenance
- Very quiet
- Better performance (high torque)
- I don't have to stop at a gas station to fill it, I just plug it in at night like a cell phone
- I don't get smelly gas all over my hands and clothes
- I don't have to breathe in those smelly fumes at the gas station
- I don't start it up or warm it up, it just goes
- Don't breathe in that smelly exhaust

@LouisIngenthron @taz

>"We're talking about how much petroleum *power plants* use to power your car. They burn the gas just like my car does."

First, a lot of the power doesn't even come from oil/gas, it nukes, wind, solar and bunch of other sources, depending on where your electricity comes from.
Second, they "...burn the gas just like my car does." They don't burn gasoline, they burn natural gas usually, and they don't use inefficient pistons, they use turbines to power the generators. It's not the same at all -- it's much more efficient than burning fuel in a putt-putt car.

And if what you say is case, why does it cost so much less money to power an electric car? If the power plants have to pay for the fuel, why is it so much less to use electricity? Ans: Because they are not wasting all that fuel like a putt-putt car does.

Plus now solar is much less than other sources, so the market will switch over quick enough.

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That eia number is not for cars, it's just energy. Cars mostly turn the energy from gas into heat, not miles. The EPA number is 33.7 kWh/gal, which accounts for the inefficiency of putt-putt cars.

@taz @LouisIngenthron

>"It's the smug, "I'm helping" when they don't understand how they really aren't that makes me chuckle."

I laugh all those fools who are paying $75 to fill up their putt-putt cars, then drive around listening to all that engine noise, and spill gas allover their hands and breathe in those fumes and get cancer. (I don't laugh at the cancer part, though, that's sad.)

@LouisIngenthron @taz

EPA gasoline gallon equivalent is 33.7 kWh / gallon. (http://www.epa.gov/fueleconomy/)

At 4.5 mi/kWh, that's 151.65 miles per gallon.

@taz @LouisIngenthron

>"It's costs you more than $3 to charge your car."

Do you own an electric car?

I do. I have my charger on an accurate meter and I know how much my electricity is per kWh. It's about $3.00 to fill it up.

@taz @LouisIngenthron

Plus electric cars actually have fewer parts in them than putt-putt cars do. They require *less* energy to build than a putt-putt car.

@LouisIngenthron @taz

Plus it only costs me about $3.00 to fill it up. What do you pay to fill up your putt-putt car? $50? $75?

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>"Until the power grid is no longer powered by fossil fuels, EVs contribute to that every bit as much as standard vehicles."

Actually, they don't. I get 4-5 mi/kWh. Work it out -- it's just fraction of CO2 footprint of a typical putt-putt car.

@taz @LouisIngenthron

Polymers can come from all kinds of sources, we don't have to get it from dead dinosaurs.

@taz @LouisIngenthron

Did you take this into account?

(image: Marine Photobank, cc-by-sa-2.0, mediawiki Commons)

@taz

Maybe. It depends. But even in the extreme, where all of it was produced with gas/oil, an electric car is still much more efficient than a putt-putt car.

Also, going forward, more and more electricity will come from renewable sources.

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@LouisIngenthron @taz

I think the two most important things one can do for the climate are:

1. Drive an electric car (when you absolutely must drive).

2. Practice abstinence.