"Both child abuse and mental health issues thrive when discussions about them are silenced by stigma, shame, and fear. It is only by speaking up and providing a space for others to do the same that we can bring about a better, safer world."

@ProstasiaInc i dont get help because i do not NEED help, im very successful at loving children , i am perfectly made as is, i do not need some weird sort of federal adjustment or psychological reconditioning, no fuckin thanks

@ProstasiaInc still working my way through it but ngl this is some really bad rhetoric already

@ProstasiaInc " many mental health issues caused by stigma are known risk factors for sexual violence, meaning stigma may increase some MAPs’ risk of committing a sexual offense"

see you use the phrasing sexual offense, which is total malarky way to refer to two people potentially making love

@ProstasiaInc and additionally feeding back into the notion that it would be morally ill for such a thing to occur, hence why ive always been fairly anti-prostasia, you're anti-pedo, not pro-help

@puppyperv @ProstasiaInc Even if we did live in a world where kids could consent, sexual violence, assault, and rape (known legally as sexual offenses) would still be a thing, and a lack of support could still lead to risk factors for them.

@elliot @ProstasiaInc yes and those conditions exist for adult on adult violence as well,

basically what's your point?

@puppyperv @ProstasiaInc Nobody is denying that adult-on-adult sexual violence exists. However, Prostasia is a child protection organization, so they focus on violence against children.

My point is that asking us not to use phrasing that is accurate to the laws on the books doesn't make much sense when we're a public policy advocacy group. You're assigning a meaning to the language that it doesn't inherently have.

(sorry for the delete and redraft, I realized I didn't fully answer your question with my first reply)

@elliot @ProstasiaInc the law is opposed to people like us, if you use the law as a baseline you will inevitably throw the movement under the bus, it's up to us to define the meanings, not the legalese

@puppyperv @ProstasiaInc It's not using the law as a baseline, just using it as a source of terminology that has a set-out definition. I use the term "child pornography" for the same reason when I'm talking about it in a legal sense, even though I know the phrase is offensive to many survivors and prefer to use the phrase "CSAM" everywhere else.

Using a term doesn't indicate agreement or disagreement with its usage elsewhere.

@elliot @ProstasiaInc my apologies, you did say you use the preferred term around survivors, but still, i dont see the need to even use the legal phrasing unless you just want to reinforce it's necessity

@puppyperv @ProstasiaInc You can see an example of how I use both in one of my previous articles. As a rule, I try to only say "child pornography" where "CSAM" would be inaccurate. For example, under existing laws, someone who gets arrested for it is being arrested for "child pornography," so "CSAM" wouldn't be accurate. Using them separately is also useful for clarifying the difference between what is illegal (some countries include drawings in their definition of child pornography) vs what is actually abusive (CSAM).

@elliot @ProstasiaInc ok what is the difference between child pornography and csam to you? or to rephrase it, how are these phrases not interchangable?

@puppyperv @ProstasiaInc I'd only consider something CSAM if its existence carries a high risk of harm to a real child (mainly images and videos of a child being abused). Child pornography includes everything that the government bans under relevant laws, so it can include harmless fictional content, consensual sexting between teens, and other non-abusive content.

@elliot @ProstasiaInc ah ya that distinction does make sense i guess, I feel like by those definitions, child pornography is a lot less something i want to see in the world then csam would be, im generally pretty against kids being abused, and its hard for me to enjoy anything knowing the person involved was hurt to make it ;;

@elliot @ProstasiaInc actually i guess that's a useful framing too since when i usually heard the phrase child pornography, my brain usually goes "ok but that probably includes stuff the young person made of themselves which is dumb" but under your definition would fall into csam instead , hmm hmm

@puppyperv @ProstasiaInc other way around. CP includes anything illegal, CSAM only includes abusive stuff (ideally. Some people use it wrong).

@puppyperv @ProstasiaInc Ideally the government would adopt the term CSAM into existing CP laws to avoid the offensive term (and fix the laws so they focus on actual harmful content, but logic and reason is a lot to ask of politicians), but until that happens, I think the terms being different has some value. In the UK there's CSEM laws, which have similar shortcomings as the US' CP laws

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