scalding take
🇳🇱
scalding take
@tuxcrafting Whats a good one? Only gui based coding ive seen has been horrific.
re: scalding take
there have been no serious attempts at making a general-purpose one
re: scalding take
@tuxcrafting Fair argument but even then I'm skeptical. While i couod see the benefit of better visualizations I'd argue text is still the best way to code.
Let me guys your a windows user?
re: scalding take
If you call our operating system “Linux”, that conveys a mistaken idea of the system’s origin, history, and purpose. If you call it “GNU/Linux,” that conveys (though not in detail) an accurate idea.
But does this matter? Is it important whether people know the system’s origin, history, and purpose? Yes, because people who forget history are often condemned to repeat it. The Free World that has developed around GNU/Linux is not secure; the problems that led us to develop GNU are not completely eradicated, and they threaten to come back. When I explain why it’s appropriate to call the operating system “GNU/Linux” rather than “Linux,” people sometimes respond this way:
"Granted that the GNU Project deserves credit for this work, is it really worth a fuss when people don’t give credit? Isn’t the important thing that the job was done, not who did it? You ought to relax, take pride in the job well done, and not worry about the credit."
This would be wise advice, if only the situation were like that—if the job were done and it were time to relax. If only that were true! But challenges abound, and this is no time to take the future for granted. Our community’s strength rests on commitment to freedom and cooperation. Using the name GNU/Linux is a way for people to remind themselves and inform others of these goals.
People who know they are using a system that came out of the GNU Project can see a direct relationship between themselves and GNU. They won’t automatically agree with our philosophy, but at least they will see a reason to think seriously about it. In contrast, people who consider themselves “Linux users,” and believe that the GNU Project “developed tools which proved to be useful in Linux,” typically perceive only an indirect relationship between GNU and themselves. They may just ignore the GNU philosophy when they come across it.
The GNU Project is idealistic, and anyone encouraging idealism today faces a great obstacle: the prevailing ideology encourages people to dismiss idealism as “impractical.” Our idealism has been extremely practical: it is the reason we have a free GNU/Linux operating system. People who love this system ought to know that it is our idealism made real.
If “the job” really were done, if there were nothing at stake except credit, perhaps it would be wiser to let the matter drop. But we are not in that position. To inspire people to do the work that needs to be done, we need to be recognized for what we have already done. Please help us, by calling the operating system GNU/Linux.
I disagree with your leadin that calling it "linux" shows ignorance of the origin. I'd say the opposite, it shows an understanding of the separation between these concepts and means you wish to specify something more general than **just** gnu linux.
As otehrs have mentioned many of us dont run a GNU userland, some of us do. Sometimes we want to be inclusive of all linux, not just GNU/Linux.
Its really no different than specifying Linux as opposed to your distro. You are intentionally be general so as to be inclusive of all the flavors.
The part you are missing is when people say "I use linux" we arent trying to claim that our operating system is linux, we are only stating that we use the linux kernel and are not being specific about any other details about the operating system, intentionally so.
Even just saying "GNU Linux" would not be an apt description of the operating system you as it says nothing about several components such as package management, which are part of an OS.
So your argument is on a faulty assumption that people are saying "Linux" is intended to be a descriptor of the entire operating system, when it is not.
The vast, overwhelming majority of people saying "Linux" means the whole operating system just as the vast overwhelming majority of people saying "Windows" means the whole operating system.
There might be a tiny percentage of people who say "Linux" instead of "GNU/Linux" with a sort of inclusive intention (to not hurt the feelings of binaries that are not #GNU 🤣), but I'm pretty sure it doesn't reach 1% of all people using the term (or the OS).
So that's not a faulty assumption but a rather reasonable one.
@Shamar
Whether the assumption is reasonable or not isnt what defines if it is faulty. The fact remains in this case the assumption was flat our wrong, and thus faulty.
@r @tuxcrafting @roka