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@Sven_Holger_Wolf Aber wie soll die Info zu denen kommen, wenn nur Olaf Scholz ihn verstehen kann?

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@VeroniqueB99 I wonder if the diamond package includes actual sex with the parents. There seems to be a curve...

@VeroniqueB99 Ah, the wonderful nuance!
She didn't want a repetition of money because the non-abbreviated name was rich-ard!

@Hyolobrika Sounds like the seal should have been flyproof... can you upgrade?

@Hyolobrika Since i am not competent at removing flies, i went with some word play.

"My house is full of flies"
vs.
"My house is full of lies"

Hold on to that f.

@Hyolobrika Hold on tight to that f, otherwise you will not find truth anymore!

@Hyolobrika I doubt that there is a simple word for it. Even if, it would surely be highjacked soon.

@dushman @Hyolobrika @interfluidity Hmm, what happened were mainly dictatorships, with the authoritarian nature filling in the void that merely having cooperative ownership leaves all around.

Anarchy in the "most people decide to work together of their own accord, using soft pressure on uncooperative ones to dampen their mischief" sounds cool, but i doubt humanity can achieve it as a one-step thing.

So i guess a state as a facilitator (aggregating open overarching questions like how much economy vs. ecological preservation, providing an infrastructure for mass decision making) would be nice, but still not achievable as demonstrated by people voting for autoritarians. Can't have freedom if most don't want it.

Even the vestigial democracy is hollowed out by lobbyism.

So the question i see unanswered is with what to replace the right of the strongest with until humans can reach adulthood?

@Hyolobrika It's generally understandable, yeah. What i often noticed is people using the word as an end-all one word retort. It's a bit ironic to do that, because it's kinda ableist to not give adequate explanation to the person you are taking to.

@interfluidity @Hyolobrika Hmm, but combinations could exist, if you separate details of how stuff is done from planning.
It's not necessary to have socialism, it could be planned what boundary conditions have to be met (limiting environmental harm, limiting resource usage by how sought after the product is) in a democracy. This would still play with cooperative ownership.
If one wants socialism, since socialism is not one definitive thing set in stone, similar adjustments could be made. But i'd rather retain a vote...

@falsevacuum Hmm, the problem of people pushing LLM crap onto everything they can remains. A bit diminished, since it is easier to identify when it is total crap.

@interfluidity @Hyolobrika They may be capitalists, but i think the shared ownership between people that have a direct connection to what is produced does make a difference.
If you look at it from the connection to the product perspective, a cooperative is more directly connected than a socialist state owned factory, or rather the people deciding stuff for that factory. Worst case, an uncaring state could easily perform just as bad as a single private owner.

Seems the underlying question is "where do we put power?", and that makes clear why there is little experimentation. Nobody gives up power voluntarily.

@m0xee @Hyolobrika I think that is the weave. Can't assert myself there, larian games has this.

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