@admin very likely! the thing is, i used xmpp for really long, but it only got shittier and shittier and had none of the features people want so nobody used it anymore.

i switched to matrix and people actually use it.

fast forward, xmpp _finally_ adds things and fixes problems (which is great!) and people start shitting on matrix because it isn't perfect.

it's just sad and silly at the same time.

@bonifartius@qoto.org My experience with XMPP is that people sign up, then never check it again. It's hard to even know what it supports because of the client disparities.

The fact that Element exists alone makes me very partial to Matrix, even if you have to eat a little shit to run it.

@admin it all started to go downhill with xmpp for me when other chat systems started to support inline pictures etc. that never really worked with xmpp for me, there always were firewall problems etc.

element isn't perfect being webshit etc. but it's really good for what it is.

another thing matrix solved rather nice: cross device encrypted groupchats which work. nobody else really got that.

@bonifartius@qoto.org I'm pro webshit because as annoying as web browsers are it's an abundantly better distribution mechanism than a corporate bottlnecked repository, or scattered repositories that normies will never find.

Everyone already knows how to use a web browser. I'm very pro PWA's.

But really what I mean when I say Element wins it for me is just the fact that they have an official client that will most likely be supported forever. Whatever package it comes in.

@admin fair points regarding webapps!

that there is an official client and server developed by the same people is definitively a killer feature.

@deesapoetra that has nothing to do with the protocol. matrix as protocol isn't even that hard to implement, at least the basic stuff. you can auth & send messages with a few curl calls :)

habe you tried fluffychat? it's using flutter and is a bit lighter on ressources than element, but supports e2ee.

@bonifartius
> that has nothing to do...
...curl calls :)

Oh well. What do i know, i don't even code afterall

> habe you tried fluffy chat?

Nope? Is it on fdroid yet?

@deesapoetra

> Oh well. What do i know, i don’t even code afterall 

sorry, there are just so many people here who do code, i just assumed :)

> Nope? Is it on fdroid yet?

not in the "main" fdroid repository, but they have their own repository to use with fdroid: https://fluffychat.im/en/fdroid.html

@bonifartius
> sorry...
...assumed :)

Yes they are :( and i'm ashamed for not being able to discuss some things code related with them lol.

>not in the "main"...
...html

Thanks!!!!

@deesapoetra
> Yes they are :( and i’m ashamed for not being able to discuss some things code related with them lol.

don't be! if you want to get into programming: just pick a problem which interests you and start looking into how to solve it :)

> Thanks!!!!

you are welcome :)