@a7 @shibao @bonifartius I believe that people getting jobs right now are getting them through referrals rather than open job listings.

@sun @shibao @bonifartius its indians pretending to be qualified all the way down

@sun @a7 @shibao @bonifartius WinRAR, even hourly stuff at this point

@sun @a7 @bonifartius @shibao

It was a "yes but also no" for me.

I have never in my career was able to find a job by applying to positions. Although contrary to the common opinion, my CV never was rejected by filters. In just the last 5 years, I applied 5 times - about one job per year. Every time, I was rejected after interviews with the hiring panel.

So, looking back, I was only ever able to get a job through I had connections. For example, Alan Cox recommended me for Red Hat (some may still remember him, he's even on Fediverse).

My latest job change was through a recruiter. It's completely cold and I didn't know anyone at all.

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One correction - I was rejected by Sun Microsistems and Transmeta pre-interview. Both of them did it multiple times. Sun sent me 2 postcards, which unfortunately I didn't preserve. Or it would be a funny shitpost. That was between 35 and 25 years ago, so hardly relevant.

@a7 @shibao @sun competent in ML is questionable as skill at best if not on the edge of research, everything else is pretty much consumption of premade models using premade software. "$language" isn't really a selling point except for legacy maintenance. don't know about the guy in question though, maybe he's really got a unique skillset but it's too fringe in this area.

i agree that the area is full of incompetent people who are good at faking competence. most people i met love ultra complex framework systems and can't think without them.

@bonifartius@qoto.org @a7@annihilation.social @sun@shitposter.world this person was doing a phd in mech e, so it was like python and ML for controls, but then she said she was rejected from a controls job because she didn't have enough experience in C++. like hire a programmer like me to do the C++ stuff then, the controls part is the harder part. i don't get this current job market, I feel like people are just making excuses not to hire and all the current offers on the market are known to be bad ("yeah it's in office every day because the boss is kind of an asshole and he needs to manage everyone irl every day. anyways, we can't find any more devs in the area", true story)

@shibao @bonifartius @a7 companies are in fact making fake job listings so they look like they're doing okay.

@shibao @sun @a7 oh, if she's mech e it might be that she really is outcompeted by dime a dozen ML and python people who are just cheaper? i'd say it's relatively easy and cheap to find someone who sorta can do ML, python and C++ (on paper ;)

@shibao @sun @a7 classic mech e should be the harder skillset to find so less competition, and probably less full of fake it till you make it people

@bonifartius@qoto.org @sun@shitposter.world @a7@annihilation.social i have the feeling that most people just want "senior" but since they don't really know what's senior they basically just filter for people hyperspecialized on their specific stack which leaves a lot of people underemployed. idk how to fix this, i've been looking for anything interesting for months and haven't found anything, this might be because i'm a zoomer that is an acquaintance to a lot of people in the tech scene here but i don't really have as strong relationships with people in there or something idk

@shibao @bonifartius @sun entry level 10+ years experience! I honestly think its an importation scheme by indian managers family members (sorry to be slightly racist) and as sun said to make it look like the company is doing well.

@a7@annihilation.social @bonifartius@qoto.org @sun@shitposter.world unironically trump's tariffs could go a long way to helping domestic manufacturing and tech actually have a chance, but it might not help the everyone piled into tech problem

@shibao @bonifartius @sun if i could be paid a decent wage to be a donut fryer id move to doing that instead of business applications

@a7 @shibao @bonifartius Indians on Reddit admit to family and caste nepotism, if they say it I believe it. There's also the class action lawsuits in places like Intel and Broadcom. I wouldn't blame them if there wasn't a double standard lol

@sun @shibao @bonifartius i dont blame them really, if i was an indian that got into america and got into management i would do what i could to help out my family members as well

@a7 @shibao @bonifartius yeah exactly.

@shibao @bonifartius @sun @a7

I get recruiter emails every day. The latest one was "Come do bash scripting for us. We pay $90/hr and it's a contract position for 8 months." I was getting $160/hr back in 1999 hacking on FiberChannel drivers for Solaris kernel. I suspect the biggest problem is that wages went way down, while people have a hard time downgrading their standard of living.

@zaitcev@shitposter.world @bonifartius@qoto.org @sun@shitposter.world @a7@annihilation.social bash scripting would be fun, i wonder if they would be open to using https://amber-lang.com/ too lmfao

@shibao @sun @zaitcev @a7 big brain move would be to just use whatever language you like and calling that from a wrapper shell script :P

@shibao @sun @zaitcev @a7 if someone complains tell them it's what shell scripting is doing all the time anyway

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