+bonifartius 𒂼𒄄
wow, progressives go the full authoritarian arc right now that things don't develop to their likings.
@tyil oh, yes. i mean people in the population who previously said they just were supporting the weak and the poor. those are increasingly going full authoritarian, demanding crackdowns on anything they perceive as their "enemy".
@bonifartius@qoto.org Maybe this has been a personal issue but I don't see any changes to how these people behave recently. "Think of the underprivileged" has been an excuse to commit horrible acts for many years, in a similar vain to how politicians have abused "think of the children" for decades now. I've seen many witch hunts against those perceived to be not nice enough to people who have labeled themselves as the most oppressed victim in the room, including against myself.
Is there any event in particular that makes you feel like the popular narrative has changed recently?
@tyil ah, i think i really have put it wrong! upon reflecting, they now do skip out on the "for the weak" part and directly go to the "we have to destroy the enemy" part. that's what changed. they seem to don't even care about the reason anymore, just about ingroup outgroup. which is what they always claimed to fight.
@bonifartius@qoto.org Ah, I had not noticed that they've left out any excuses as to why their authoritarianism is good, actually. Not very surprising that there would be a point where they simply forego the cheap rhetoric, it must be exhausting to them too to keep repeating the same lies.
Do you think that this change in their tactics is going to eventually make the average person see through the deceit, and perhaps even turn against their "progressive" interpretation of what is practically just fascism?
@bonifartius Rich people were aways conservative when it came to the economy and workers' rights. This made it easy to point at them and say: “That's who we're fighting against.” But the modern trick has been to change the definition of conservatism, from a purely economical point of view, to a moral one. And that's how we have gay-supporting right wingers, or, put more simply, “rich liberals”.
This change allows them to say: “We are the good guys. It's the workers, whose education we neglected and who consume our controlled media (which tell them that fighting for their rights is communism), who are racist and homophobic and nazi.”
It's not that progressives have gone the full authoritarian arc. It's just that the same people we used to treat with scorn years ago are seen with admiration today because they love trans people (even though they don't know a single trans person), but they're as authoritarian now as they were in the 1920s and 1930s. They just tricked you into thinking they're ‘progressive.’ They're not. They're elitists.
@bonifartius@qoto.org From my point of view they've been full authoritarian for many years by now