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Arguing men shouldnt have a right to an opinion on abortion because they can only be the victim of abortion and never the executor is like arguing women shouldnt have an opinion on rape because they are typically the victim and not the executor.
We all started our lives as fetuses and would have been effected by abortion laws, and as such we all should have a right to an opinion on the matter.
@freemo Of course everyone has a right to their opinion on any subject.
But it does seem clear that while men are not unaffected, women *are* disproportionately affected and their voices should therefore hold more weight on the subject.
And the inverse holds true as well. Men's voices carry more weight when it comes to men's issues, such as the legality and ease of access to Viagra.
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@bonifartius @freemo One could argue that a lack of it does. Ultimately it just depends on when you think life starts and whether or not you're willing to use violence to enforce that belief.
@bonifartius @louis @freemo Abortion is never illegal for the wealthy. Abortion bans are class warfare.
@bonifartius @louis @freemo I found I enjoy debating freemo because the debate is cordial, and it gets my brain juices flowing. We've not attacked each other. I'm sorry, but dismissing class warfare is ignoring millenia of human history. And your enforcing bans with violence comment made me a bit sick in my tummy.
I too have enjoyed the respectful debate and so long as it remains respectful you are always welcome on my feed.
In Boni's defense im not sure she is ignoring class warfare so much as agreeing with you to an extent. At least thats how I read it. Like anything solved via threat of arrest is violence and cant solve this problem, so seems she at least agrees with you that outlawing abortion under threat of arrest is not the answer (though if i had to guess I suspect she might be against abortion morally).
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> In Boni's defense im not sure she is ignoring class warfare so much as agreeing with you to an extent. At least thats how I read it. Like anything solved via threat of arrest is violence and cant solve this problem, so seems she at least agrees with you that outlawing abortion under threat of arrest is not the answer (though if i had to guess I suspect she might be against abortion morally).
yes.
i think it's wrong to use violence to keep people from doing things and arrest (or even fines because not paying leads to arrest) is violence.
i am morally against abortion except in very few cases. people use it as contraceptive now and that's wrong. i don't think a ban will solve this because violence doesn't solve anything in the long run.
wealthy people having options to work around this threat doesn't make wealthy people your enemy. those who get abortions are on the same side with this, after all.
