guess i'll try my hand at this, in random order
electric wizard - funeralopolis
I got accused of “sealioning” the other day. This wasn’t a term they taught back in my CX debate days, so I had to look it up. Fortunately, the usual leftist almanacs have helpful entries.
Merriam-Webster: “‘Sealioning’ is a form of trolling meant to exhaust the other debate participant with no intention of real discourse.“
Hold up. “intention” is part of the definition? So in order to identify if someone is sealioning, you have to infer intent? First red flag.
Wikipedia: Sealioning is a type of trolling or harassment that consists of pursuing people with relentless requests for evidence, while maintaining a pretense of civility and sincerity, and feigning ignorance of the subject matter. It may take the form of “incessant, bad-faith invitations to engage in debate”
So many subjective words in that definition. Another red flag. Also, note the strong focus on intent yet again.
Intent is unprovable in rational debate, which is why rational definitions may not depend on it. Once you remove the unprovable intent element, the definition of sealioning is indistinguishable from an attempt at reasoned debate.
Which, I conclude, is the point of the rhetorical device.
Accusing someone of sealioning is an ad hominem argument which has almost no connotative meaning, and would be ineffective as an argument in a rational debate setting. Fortunately for its users, very little debate happens in a formal setting, and the accusation is perfect for an internet forum like reddit or twitter. Like so many other appeals to emotion, the insinuation of bad faith is a sure way to derail an argument that you’re losing. It shifts the discussion away from the validity of the argument, and to tone where the accuser can claim the high ground.
So the next time somebody accuses me of sealioning, I can conclude that they have run out of real arguments, and are just falling back on personal attacks out of reflex, at which point, I can comfortably declare victory in the discussion.
@zleap of course not those in their right mind, but that isn't the point.
criminalizing people for what amounts to "doing nothing" doesn't work.
@zleap
> [...] and if social services see the same they may think the same way and take the child in to care.
let me rephrase:
they should leave and otherwise they'd be targeted by one of the most sinister forms of state violence, "taking kids away".
that's exactly the line of thought responsible for the political situation the west is in.
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@Philsturgeon
the wind turbine part contains some things i'd strongly disagree on, on other i agree.
wind turbines are not normal "buildings". birds do collide with windows, yes. they don't collide with lamp posts or broadcast towers. those structures don't move at high rotational speeds not found in nature.
people shooting random birds is a completely different thing. it's not a side effect but shit problem handling - just because other people mistreat their kids i don't have to and it doesn't make it ok if i do.
cats are a giant problem, that's why i deal with mice problems with traps instead of getting a cat.
i have no solid numbers for cars. i hit one pidgeon in 20 years of driving.
reinforcing concrete with turbine blades doubles the problem instead of solving it. concrete reinforced with steel is harmless, concrete mixed with epoxy is just increading the volume of problematic waste. i again don't care if this is already practiced with other waste. wind turbines are effective microplastic generators in their operative life and beyond.
true for literally everything including fitness, health, finance, education, etc etc. stop defeating yourselves!
@Philsturgeon i would love if greens would act in an ecological way but they choose to do things like putting wind turbines everywhere, including important bird habitats, to save 0.1% of global CO2 emissions.
@arrrg @Philsturgeon yet in west germany environmental protection was much better than in gdr.
@Czerion danke, dir auch! :)
(musste aufs schild gucken weils mir bekannt vorkam :D)
@DCR very well written.
i know some of my late relatives would just be sincerely sad about this. not even angry, but sad someone does this. sometimes their faith was the only thing mentally helping them and now it's mocked. it's repulsive.
i'm pissed that seemingly every cultural heritage is protected from shit like this but the european heritage. be it last supper or feast of the gods. it can be mocked and insulted and twisted into bizarre things and if someone dares to criticize it he's evil, against "progress" and should be happy to not be canceled and debanked.
the same kind of assholes are painting stongehenge for their shit political ideology.
those people have no respect for what my ancestors, remote and close, did and which values they had but at the same time want to be respected and have pride. if you base culture on mockery of the existing instead of newly created beauty it will not end well.
it pisses me off and it's morally repulsive.
The tableau was arranged like The Last Supper by Da Vinci, period.
I'm not baptized and I'm not religious.
What bothers me is that Jesus embodies certain values, and I find it creepy that he and these values have been replaced by a extremely made-up (= fake) obese person in tasteless clothes.
The obese people I know don't think their fat is great. They suffer from health issues and a poor quality of life.
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