please shut up on #fediblock. You must not use #fediblock for things that are not related to #fediblocking.
@Resident_Evil @genmaicha @karolat @newt
It's a hashtag people use to make suggestions on servers to block. It's not a hit list, it's a suggestion list that's read a lot by instance moderators. It's easier for people to moderate their servers if they know which servers might be problematic.
I think, there should be better methods of blocklisting without #fediblock. Some kind of a pastebin file or something.
Moreover, admins should respect their users' access to the information (if they don't want their instance to become a hugbox, of course). Users still can block or mute other users and whole instances, they find problematic or controversial, so I see no problems about that.
Letting users know about other instances (even controversial ones) gives them a choise of an instance they want to participate in.
@genmaicha @karolat @newt
In my ideal world every server would say "here's how we decide who to federate with" and it would range from "every server that isn't doing protocol-level attacks on us" to "every server on which I haven't personally observed behavior I think my users would prefer not to see, such as [examples]" to "every server not listed on [url]", and then people could decide which kind they want to be on.
There could be one or more fediblock-like tags that people could use to communicate about who to block, without it having to be an absolute condemnation that everyone agrees on.
(I'm on #qoto partly because it's in that first category, not blocking much at all at the server level, and I do like to see trash before burning it, but I'm totally okay that many people would rather not! It's okay to delegate large parts of your Mastodon filtering to a trusted admin if you want; nothing at all wrong with that.)
The problem seems to be that lots of people, including some admins, think that servers have to be divided into universally praised and universally condemned sets, and of course any universally praised server would never federate with a universally condemned one. Some people just want the universe to be simple! But it seldom is.
(And so qoto sometimes gets blocked just because it doesn't block some other server, which seems I think silly to me, although I can put together an argument to the contrary if I try.)
fwiw...
"Fediblock" names a bunch of different things: the hashtag that people use to suggest things to block, that one list by Paula on joinfediverse.wiki, but then also a bunch of other lists by other people.
So yeah, that's another part of the problem. :) At least Paula broke the list into pieces, so qoto isn't in the same list as the nazi instances...
@ceoln @Resident_Evil @MelonDC @genmaicha @karolat @newt
Fediblock doesn't seem like it's an official or sanctioned part of the fediverse even though new admins might confuse it with that. It's one person's block list. The recourse for getting off the list is to convince that one person. The accountability is non-existent, as far as I can tell.
Of course, that person isn't going see what I post because she includes qoto.org in her list. And worse, I've criticized fediblock and how it is run, which is, as far as I can tell, considered harassment against the person who runs Fediblock.