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@pschwede @freemo

Number 2 on your list is spot on, and matches my leaning.

Also enjoy the NY Times, The Atlantic, New Yorker.

Like Washington Post, but couldn't get around their paywall so far. They do have a nice discounted yearly online membership, USD$40, which i am considering buying.

There is going to be much to watch for in the coming year with the federal election in US.

@design_RG

What troubles me in this response is that you admit you have a lean (in and of itself not a bad thing) and therefore seek out news sources that support your lean.

I have plenty of leans on various issues. But I tend to prefer neutral sources that challenge my tendency to have a lean with actual facts without propaganda.

If my lean is "just" and proper then it would be strengthened by the truth and not need to seek out propaganda in the first place.

@pschwede

@freemo
I find the reporting done by The Guardian to be detailed, extensive and always lnked at the bottom of the article to other relevant, related articles and topics.

I see the world from a similar perspective, and don't mind reading a source like The Economist, which I also like a lot, or ocasionally WSJ, which is very pro capitalist, but does a competent job in reporting (although their bias shows ocasionally).

What I find really irking is some of the low quality outfits that report in sound bites, tweet length sentence and paragraphs, interspersed with imagery including screenshots from social media.

Irrelevant and attention deficit servicing. I saw a perfect example here yesterday, a post linking to a source, talking about left wing media dropping a news item when the stats quoted were found to be from 2015. Obama's admin times.

That fact could be worth reporting, but not in the haired brain way it was done. There's a lot of manipulation and obfuscation going on.

@pschwede

@design_RG

Its not always about simply if the information is cited or accurate in isolation. incorrect information isnt the only way bias and lean can be harmful or lead to wrong conclusions.

Consider for example the fact that blacks in the USA are, statistically, more likely to commit violent crimes than america. If i have a racist lean I can present that fact, and it would be totally factual, but the conclusions you draw would be incorrect.

Take that same example and consider how it would be present from a neutral standpoint. In that case the counter-data would also be presented, in this case, for example, the fact that they have been a marginalized group, and suffer from oppression and poverty (Which one would use to conclude ultimately causes the violence and not their race).

Thats why lean from news sources are so insidious, cherry picking and confirmation bias are crippling characteristics of most people and by having lean, even with well sources and factual information, can lead to very dangerous and harmful conclusions all the same.

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@cowanon @freemo @pschwede

The analisys and reporting on criminality and poverty in minorities neighbourhoods was an excellent example. Agreed it can be pulled either way, in extreme ways.

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