l'empathie mécanique @dpwiz@qoto.org

@boilingsteam More "rog" than "ally"

@boilingsteam "Credit where credit is due"
... I miss that principle.

Extracted tile "proxy" data from Tilesetter projects. Makes maps a little less bland.
#Haskell #gamedev

@haskman IDK. Not all tears are productive. Some questions a newcomer can ask are just wrong and seeking answers for them is a waste of time.

@jonn @haskman What is the "go get experience"? ghcup, but for X?

@haskman When I was a beginner I needed a mentor to pull me through the syntax (I had to bootstrap instead). The books and linkdumps weren't helpful. HCAR was interesting (too bad it is gone for some years already). Perhaps the discourse site is an okay substitute.

@haskman Out of the provided examples [ghc] and [cabal] are up. I think I would like `stack` in there too.
Also present: [ghcup]... And the rest of the [stuff] that is already there.

* hls - looks linkable
* ghcid - okay, some people are using it.
* intero - dead?..
* the books.... get outdated rather quickly. and some of them are commercial products. I wouldn't champion those.

Okay, let's go and make PRs now.

[ghc]: https://www.haskell.org/ghc/
[cabal]: https://www.haskell.org/cabal/
[ghcup]: https://www.haskell.org/ghcup/
[stuff]: https://github.com/haskell-infra/www.haskell.org/#details-on-subsites

@haskman @jonn I see a problem with well-known vanity urls. Besides obvious squatting, there are incentives to centralize. And with enough notoriety it gets "either you leave a mark there, or you don't exist". One more chore for project owners.

@haskman Sorry, still not getting it 😅

Those are keywords that you should know before you can use their short urls. And if you know the words, the links are one search away anyway, for the same amount of typing.

@Dave3307 @rodhilton exactly. They don't need "elaborate". They need "make this half-brained slapdash cavespeak less annoying ".

@haskman The registry doesn't have it's own domain?.. okay, maybe it doesn't. So, what would be a good example for Haskell?

@boilingsteam With persistent progression, wouldn't that be "rogue-lite"? Rogue means permadeath and a game of pure skill. Like Noita.

@haskman I don't get it... For packages we have Hackage (and Flora.pm). For short links(?). Why have a centralized repo of that?

@jwcph @Kjaerulv Natural selection promotes traits that were good for relative fitness. It says nothing about emergence of intelligence.

If anything, when the "intelligence" trait is detrimental to reproduction it would be washed out, producing non-intelligence instead.

@jwcph @Kjaerulv I don't want to persuade you. And certainly not by arguing definitions. No evolution for AIs? Fine, let's drop that.

Whatever the process drives arrival of new models can't produce intelligence*. Only evolution can produce intelligence. Does that sound correct?

If so, what are the crucial properties of evolution that produce intelligence? Do they produce intelligence reliably? What's preventing other processes from producing intelligence?

@jwcph @Kjaerulv "descent with modification from preexisting species : cumulative inherited change in a population of organisms through time leading to the appearance of new forms : the process by which new species or populations of living things develop from preexisting forms through successive generations" etc. Looks okay?

If so, how any of that is required or gives rise to intelligence?

@jwcph @Kjaerulv So, what's the difference?

@jwcph @Kjaerulv The models that we see and know have passed a gauntlet of an optimization process. The aspects and circuits that didn't contribute to relative fitness get wiped out.

And when models become released to customers, they have to compete against each other for resources to sustain their existence.

Models falling behind get shut down and replaced. Models achieving success get public recognition and proliferate - as core ideas, as architecture blocks or, as data to adapt to tasks.

There's even a way to literally evolve architectures by reproduction and selection.

A single machine does not evolve. But neither does a single organism.

@jwcph Ah, yes, the network effects of centralized silos (translating into huge inertia for users) are quite difficult to overcome. I think the Fediverse would win in the end. Slowly but surely it will build a momentum of its own. One disintegrated or falling out of favor silo at a time.
But now... it's an uphill battle.

Although I have a feeling that the most resisting users are the most boring. Fediverse wouldn't give you reach, likes and stuff automatically. But for the rest, it may be a blessing as it can't force a negative-sum game upon you the way algofeeds could.