You're doing a conference in Florida?
You truly represent the apotheosis of "Agile".
For reals, yo.
You're cool with your 3,000 person venue where no one who isn't a cishet white salesperson/john man is welcome?
Jesus fucking Christ.
I was already estranged, I freely admit it, But this is beyond the pale.
Fuck the Agile fucking Alliance. They aren't what we wanted, they never have been.
@agilealliance I don't give a fuck about your sunk fucking cost.
Apologize, and eat the cost.
You're committing a sin you'll never come back from.
Your one chance, and it's slim, is to just admit that you made a mistake, ask for forgiveness, and move forward.
@agilealliance My trans friends will not go to Florida, not cuz they're mad, cuz they're at risk of their lives. My Black friends won't go to Florida, not cuz they're mad, cuz they're at risk of their lives. My gay and lesbian friends won't go to Florida, not cuz they're mad, cuz they're at risk for their lives.
Go broke, walking away, go broke. But go broke *proud* that you cared more for humans than for a venue-deposit.
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What about florida makes it so exceptionally dangerous for them? Not that I'm disagreeing with you, just wondering what law or whatever this is in reference to.
@freemo @agilealliance Well, while you been sharing your range-pictures, Florida has been outlawing abortion, outlawing being gay, and outlawing teaching young people about the history of our country.
Not sure what my range-pictures have to do with that? Seems a very odd opening statement.
All those things sound quite concerning. What are the punishments for being gay and teaching a history class? Are they severe (though any punishment is pretty concerning).
@freemo @GeePawHill @agilealliance Are you sealioning or asking someone else to do your research for you? Certainly if you are Trans you can no longer get medical support. If you are a woman who needs an abortion you can't get that. It's a third class felony to use any book that hasn't been approved by the State in your class. You can't answer questions about gender, sexuality or anything like that in class. So are you trolling or merely profoundly ignorant?
I am neither sealioning or asking someone to do my research for me. I am engaging in a respectful discussion. A post was made saying gay/trans cant go there. I asked for why you feel that is the case, that is not sealioning nor asking you or anyone to do research.
I am not trolling, nor "profoundly ignorant", not everyone keeps tabs on the day to day happenings in Florida... but congratulations on being rude to someone who is genuinely curious about your opinion, and having a desire to support you in your concerns. Quite the self-defeating approach you have going there.
@freemo @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance , semi impartial observer here (you can decide after my post). Just a couple days ago I had a very similar experience, and I was fairly sure the guy was just being a dick. The same topic, florida book banning. I found the questions to be intentionally obtuse to the point of being harassing. I feel fairly sure that there was miscommunication with my conversation, and there is similar with yours. As I read this exchange, I am reexamining my conversation with different eyes.
@JonKramer @freemo @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance Consider this example: most of the book bans, as far as I can tell, are ostensibly about age-appropriateness of the material. Don't get me wrong: I'm sure there's *someone* out there using age-appropriateness in bad faith to further their nefarious crusade against <some group>, of course. But still: there are pretty reasonable cases being made – even if I disagree – most of the time about age-appropriateness.
If you use age-appropriateness bans as an example of how Florida and Texas are a literal risk to the life of a group of people, normal readers are going to dismiss you out of hand. (And rightfully so, of course; this is nonsense.)
This is an example of one of the most unfortunate outcomes of the rise of idpol: any discussion of a banal policy issue like how to decide age-appropriateness of school materials or medical regulations quickly descends into hysterics like "you are literally murdering people!". Other examples include things like single-family housing, minimum wage, and ice cream trucks.
I'm not saying these issues aren't important – they are! That's the problem! Look at these threads here and all the confusion about what anyone is even talking about.
@ech @freemo @ariaflame @GeePawHill @agilealliance , the key word being "ostensibly". In actuality, people are not even reading the books, just complaining about them because it uses a word they don't like, or has content they don't like. They are pushing a nanny state trying to subvert the rights of parents.
Now, I don't disagree with all book bans. I feel Utah was right to limit access to the Bible, for example. I think Penthouse letters volumes I through VI should not be in classrooms. I think Camp of the Saints probably shouldn't be in ANY public library, for any ages.
I would say there are few reasonable cases being made by those in favor of book bans. Because those reasonable cases are all ready in place. You can't walk into a single public school in America and expect to find The Turner Diaries. Or the Anarchist Cookbook.